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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7739892" data-attributes="member: 6779196">4e may have been designed by a committee, but it was a committee of professional game designers, who had clear design goals and rationale for everything. 5e wasnt even designed by a committee, it was designed by focus testers. The designers were only the source of ideas, the ultimate arbiter of which ideas got developed and which ones got scrapped was the player satisfaction polls. Anyone who followed the D&D Next Playtest could easily see WotC had no idea what would work and what wouldn’t, they just threw anything and everything at the wall. Whatever stuck went into the game, whatever didn’t either went back for further iterations, or scrapped depending on how poorly it did in the polls. And that’s how they’re still designing new content for it, that’s why nothing gets added to the game without getting approved by the community in Unearthed Arcana first. The result is a very popular game that takes no risks and challenges no expectations, which is fine if you want that, but I’m personally not interested. Yes, I play 5e. Frenzy Barbarian: Round 1, Bonus Action to rage and frenzy, action to attack. Every round after, Action to attack, Bonus Action to attack again. If you can’t take the exhaustion, do the same thing without the Bonus Action attacks. Swashbuckler Rogue: Every round, Action to attack, Bonus Action to attack with your off-hand weapon. Prioritize targets that are adjacent to allies. Wow, the difference is stunning. Battlemaster Fighter is a little more different with Action Surge and Superiority dice. It’s probably the least boring non-caster in the game. Still very simplistic and unengaging though.Combats dragging on too long was definitely one of 4e’s flaws. Personally, I would rather that than the short but unengaging combat of 5e, but I understand why many prefer the opposite. To each their own.Not necessarily better. Preferable for me, but both approaches are valid, both have advantages and disadvantages, and each appeals to different sorts of players.To be clear, I don’t play PF1. While I’m less than satisfied with 5e, I prefer it over PF1. When I say I want more options, I don’t mean more books full of classes, subclasses, feats, spells, and whatever else. The core book is plenty for me in that regard. What I want is more decision points in the process of leveling a character to 20, and more decision points on any given turn of combat. I don’t necessarily want more Feats to exist, I want characters to get to pick more than 5 of them. I don’t necessarily want more subclasses to exist, I want subclass to be more than just a choice I make once at 3rd level and get a handful of locked-in benefits from at certain levels. I don’t necessarily want more spells and maneuvers to choose from, I want more meaningful choices to make for what to do on my turn.</blockquote>

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