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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Campbell" data-source="post: 7827033" data-attributes="member: 16586">Pathfinder Second Edition does not have opposed actions. There are no contests. Every check is done against a DC to allow for range of success and failure.This is also not a game where GMs call for checks. Every check is part of an action or activity with defined outcomes. You do not make a Perception check. You Search or Seek. You do not make a Stealth check. You Avoid Notice or Sneak. You do not make a Diplomacy check. You Gather Information, Make An Impression, or Convince.A player who is Avoiding Notice gets to roll Stealth and gain the benefits of Sneak because that's like what they have been doing. I think they probably should have said that a player who has been Searching should get to pick an area as usual for Seek and gain the benefits of Seek using their initiative roll as well.You also do not have to roll initiative to find out what happens with Avoid Notice. It's quite possible you could be spotted and it not be the right time to go to Encounter Mode. That transition is entirely up to GM judgement. Generally I would only call for initiative for a combat encounter once somebody gets murder in their hurts. For passing a sentry I would do a secret check against the sentry's Perception DC. If they were searching in the area the Rogue was passing they would get a chance to use Seek for free even if the Rogue passed. I would save those rolls for Initiative if I thought it merited dropping to encounter mode. Those sentries could just as well act like they did not see anything until the Rogue passed or one could nonchalantly go back to warn their fellows.I think some people have tendency to treat these things like they are hard coded when the text explicitly tells us that a lot of these things come down to GM judgement.I agree there is some weirdness when a player who rolls well for initiative regardless if they were rolling Stealth, Perception or Survival (which might be using if you were tracking) has their turn come up when they are not aware of any enemies. So far we have handled this by having players delay on their turn.One potential way to handle this might be to treat this as simply having a sixth sense that something is up or only treating enemies as unnoticed when they win initiative. In that case they would still be Undetected (do not know where they are, but know something is out there). It is really only the Unnoticed bit that causes weirdness.</blockquote>

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