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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 7918535" data-attributes="member: 957">Mathematically this is true.  Producing a quality gaming result is another matter altogether.  PF2E is designed from the ground up with the presumption of this +level factor built in.  Yes, you get D20+X compared to DC = Y and you can do the math.  But (IMO) a good storytelling mechanical foundation should make sense in terms of how various checks compare to each other.  As written PF2E modifiers are frequently on the order of 50% dominated by level (at least after the first few levels).  Backing that out across the board from a system which relied on the presumption of +level creates a semi-random outcome.The whole four tiers (+/- 10) feature gets particularly wacky.  But that is not the only concern.And I'm sure someone will ignore this and quote me wildly out of context, but if someone doesn't care a hill of beans about how the mechanics are self consistent in this way, then my comments won't apply to them.I don't think this is at all true beyond the most trivial of elements.  Just as PF2E was designed with +level as a fundamental presumption, 5E was designed knowing that bounded accuracy was its foundation.  The huge distinction is baked in throughout little details of everything.Obviously I can't comment on what Paizo is going to publish.  But it will need to be a really sophisticated retooling to be a solid alternative.  The standard for a really good TTRPG is very high.  People have a lot of choices and fans with different preferences can be choose a game that caters to them.  As lot of companies have demonstrated, simply publishing a game that "works" is easy.  That doesn't go very far.There are a lot of PF2E fans who love the +level system.  It seems reasonable to assume that most of them want to keep +level and won't see this alternative as an improvement.  Why should they?  It is removing a feature.By the same token, it will be hard to sell someone who doesn't like +level on a +level system with that feature backed out when they have great alternatives which are not based in any way on +level.Again, no idea what Paizo is doing.  We shall see.  But as to simply taking the game "as is" and backing out level, this does not produce something comparable to 5E.</blockquote>

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