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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7919106" data-attributes="member: 12731">If you have discussed this previously, maybe you could link to your earlier posts?What about the +/- 10 saves and the whole 4 tiers of success works less well when you take level out of the equation? It would make BBEGs crit you less often, and thus be less overwhelmingly dangerous, but that's the point, innit? Making PF2 play more like 5E, where heroes can eat a single monster five levels higher than the party for lunch?HP and damage dealing - now there's a point. 5E offers big bags of hit points to account for the fact heroes just keep hitting. But removing level from proficiency doesn't change the fact the baseline accuracy is easily 3 or 4 steps easier in 5E (if you have a 65% chance of hitting in 5E, all things equal, you have only 50% or even 45% in PF2).Sorry I don't understand what you're talking about here. What property of a 5E goblin does a PF2 goblin lack, once you remove the 5 points from a level five hero (the level where I'd say a goblin becomes "irrelevant")?Are you saying the range between low and high AC is somehow different? Or that PF2 armor "needs" level to be "right"? I would have thought a high-Dex character in light armor and a low-Dex character in heavy armor would work out about the same in both games, once neither game adds level to AC, just proficiency?I might be missing something. You sure sound sure. But I'm still waiting for you to commit to real examples that makes me understand your take.You sure you're not just taking things for granted here? It really isn't a case of water being wet, you know. Your first clue is me questioning your assertion - I truly don't see what's so obvious about it.That doesn't mean you don't have a point. Just that you need to be able to explain it, or there's a possibility it really does needs discussing, but not for the reasons you think.Cheers</blockquote>

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