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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 8000865" data-attributes="member: 5834">All I can say is my players have reached level 12 with me running the Age of Ashes AP and I have been able to challenge them without having to modify anything but a few hit points totals. And that is a huge difference from what I used to have to do to challenge lvl 12 characters in PF2. It was the same for me in 5E as by lvl 12 5E characters also trivialized the game using monsters as ran out of the book. PF2 is the first time I've seen level 12 characters be challenged by monsters out of the book dating as far back as 2E.And as a DM the monsters still feel real and the combats are fun to run while PCs still feel like powerful adventurers fighting powerful enemies that threaten their lives.Thus why I am pleasantly surprised by PF2. When I read the PF2 playtest book long ago, we thought it would suck and planned to stick with PF1. On paper it looked boring and like nothing we would want to play. Then we were between games and I didn't want to run 5E, so we decided to give PF2 a shot. And it surprised all of us how much fun it was play versus how boring it was to read.</blockquote>