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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Porridge" data-source="post: 8001304" data-attributes="member: 7020143">FWIW, I think the developers stated that they weren't aiming to have PF2 be a 5e competitor, but rather a game that appealed to people who didn't like 5e because they wanted a crunchier ruleset. (Though, of course, PF2 is still streamlined and less crunchy than PF1/3.5e, so they were clearly aware of the general market trend toward simpler games.)So I don't think PF2 was designed in ignorance of 5e. Rather, I think it was designed with 5e firmly in mind, and with the intention to not be a 5e clone that was fighting for the very same customers.(Now, of course, whether this is what they should have done, and whether they should have developed the game this way versus some other way, etc, are different questions.)</blockquote>