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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7395246" data-attributes="member: 6779196">But at 10th level, the untrained barbarian can pick that DC 12 lock on a 3 or higher, which is pretty silly. It also means the DM constantly has to escalate what kind of locks he uses, so that by 10th level you’re dealing with masterfully engineered puzzle locks on mithril-banded doors just to keep pace. That’s the treadmill - it’s just a treadmill for the DM instead of the players.For me, the flatter that curve, the better. Dice bonuses are a boring form of advancement anyway. Give me a System where your bonuses never increase but you constantly gain new things you can do any day of the week. Horizontal advancement &gt; vertical advancement if you ask me. That is one thing I like about the PF2 Proficiency system. The different levels of Proficiency gating what kinds of tasks you can attempt in addition to giving you a small bonus to the roll makes it nicely diagonal, and with a comfortably shallow incline. Personally, I’ll most likely just rip the +level out and adjust target numbers accordingly if it’s still present in the full release.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 7395246, member: 6779196"] But at 10th level, the untrained barbarian can pick that DC 12 lock on a 3 or higher, which is pretty silly. It also means the DM constantly has to escalate what kind of locks he uses, so that by 10th level you’re dealing with masterfully engineered puzzle locks on mithril-banded doors just to keep pace. That’s the treadmill - it’s just a treadmill for the DM instead of the players. For me, the flatter that curve, the better. Dice bonuses are a boring form of advancement anyway. Give me a System where your bonuses never increase but you constantly gain new things you can do any day of the week. Horizontal advancement > vertical advancement if you ask me. That is one thing I like about the PF2 Proficiency system. The different levels of Proficiency gating what kinds of tasks you can attempt in addition to giving you a small bonus to the roll makes it nicely diagonal, and with a comfortably shallow incline. Personally, I’ll most likely just rip the +level out and adjust target numbers accordingly if it’s still present in the full release. [/QUOTE]

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