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<blockquote data-quote="payn" data-source="post: 8638651" data-attributes="member: 90374">Its quite reliable depending where you fall on the +/- scale of level. It's quite a decisive advantage for one side of the encounter if they have the higher level. It's less a matter to worry about in more even level encounters. Its true, there are some interesting encounter abilities monsters have. The effectiveness and danger is entirely predictable based on +/- level of one side or the other. Being able to level quickly doesn't really change the fact there is a stern &quot;you must be this tall to encounter&quot; limit to PCs in PF2. If you are ok with a strict goblin to hobgoblin to ogre to giant dynamic than its fine I guess. I prefer a more bounded setting where the bands are not so prescriptive.&nbsp; Yes, my bad. The APs do seem over-tuned and folks dont enjoy the ass pummeling you get from challenging foes, while having to go back to unchallenging foes to experience it yourself.Using terrain, magic weapons, spells, items, etc... to get a field advantage. In PF2 the math is so important you cant possibly effect something higher level than the party, which is possible in a game like 3E/PF1 and 5E. Also, packs of lower level enemies cant threaten PCs at a certain point in PF2 because of the math. Eventually, options fall by the wayside because they just become impossible instead of difficult.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="payn, post: 8638651, member: 90374"] Its quite reliable depending where you fall on the +/- scale of level. It's quite a decisive advantage for one side of the encounter if they have the higher level. It's less a matter to worry about in more even level encounters. Its true, there are some interesting encounter abilities monsters have. The effectiveness and danger is entirely predictable based on +/- level of one side or the other. Being able to level quickly doesn't really change the fact there is a stern "you must be this tall to encounter" limit to PCs in PF2. If you are ok with a strict goblin to hobgoblin to ogre to giant dynamic than its fine I guess. I prefer a more bounded setting where the bands are not so prescriptive. Yes, my bad. The APs do seem over-tuned and folks dont enjoy the ass pummeling you get from challenging foes, while having to go back to unchallenging foes to experience it yourself. Using terrain, magic weapons, spells, items, etc... to get a field advantage. In PF2 the math is so important you cant possibly effect something higher level than the party, which is possible in a game like 3E/PF1 and 5E. Also, packs of lower level enemies cant threaten PCs at a certain point in PF2 because of the math. Eventually, options fall by the wayside because they just become impossible instead of difficult. [/QUOTE]

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