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<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8638954" data-attributes="member: 7026617">Yeah.&nbsp; Payn has demonstrated to me he's a reasonable person since I've been on this board.&nbsp; But a lot of objections to PF2e I've seen have either not been, or have been expressed in hyperbolic or excessive ways that disguise any validity to them.To give a couple examples of the distinctions:1. Payn has expressed discomfort with how tight the math is in PF2e.&nbsp; I think, (in my experience), he's presenting it as more deterministic than it is (you don't build a system around a D20 if you want real consistency, especially in a system where one round's lucky rolls can have a strong dramatic effect given how relatively short PF2e in round-cycles PF2e is.&nbsp; But that's an argument of degree; there's no question the math is tighter in PF2e than most D&amp;D variants, and if he doesn't like that, he doesn't.2. Others have, in essence, objected that the encounter builder, unlike D&amp;D3e/PF1e CR, doesn't lie to you.&nbsp; I have trouble having sympathy with this position; it seems to be demanding a sort of systemic illusionism baked into the game that I don't find a reasonable expectation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 8638954, member: 7026617"] Yeah. Payn has demonstrated to me he's a reasonable person since I've been on this board. But a lot of objections to PF2e I've seen have either not been, or have been expressed in hyperbolic or excessive ways that disguise any validity to them. To give a couple examples of the distinctions: 1. Payn has expressed discomfort with how tight the math is in PF2e. I think, (in my experience), he's presenting it as more deterministic than it is (you don't build a system around a D20 if you want real consistency, especially in a system where one round's lucky rolls can have a strong dramatic effect given how relatively short PF2e in round-cycles PF2e is. But that's an argument of degree; there's no question the math is tighter in PF2e than most D&D variants, and if he doesn't like that, he doesn't. 2. Others have, in essence, objected that the encounter builder, unlike D&D3e/PF1e CR, doesn't lie to you. I have trouble having sympathy with this position; it seems to be demanding a sort of systemic illusionism baked into the game that I don't find a reasonable expectation. [/QUOTE]

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