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<blockquote data-quote="FrozenNorth" data-source="post: 8410274" data-attributes="member: 7020832">I am always leery when someone who is clearly not a beginner DM makes comments about how one system is clearly more beginner DM-friendly than another one. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😀" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" title="Grinning face&nbsp; &nbsp; :grinning:" data-shortname=":grinning:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />With that said, let me do the exact same thing.&nbsp; Both my 12 y.o. and my 10 y.o. have taken a hand at DMing 5e.&nbsp; Both were successful and neither ran into the issue you described of CR being wildly off.&nbsp; As a matter of fact, my experience is that if you follow the CR guidelines, the adventures will probably be on the easy side, which means that there is leeway for both the DM and the players to make mistakes.This has not been my experience in PF2.&nbsp; There are a large number of decision points where a beginner DM with beginner players can make a “wrong” decision that will TPK the party.&nbsp; Like a party in which no one has Medicine.&nbsp; Or a party in which more than one character put a 16 in their prime stat.&nbsp; Or the players split the party.&nbsp; Or the DM focus fired.&nbsp; Or the DM didn’t hand out Hero points after the beginning of the game. Or the DM had reinforcements enter the room without giving the players an opportunity to rest.Of course, many beginner DMs choose to start with a published module so the don’t have to worry about balancing encounters.&nbsp; Of course, the published modules all have multiple deadly fights (can attest to Plaguestone and Abomination Vaults, AoA and EC is hearsay).As for my kids, they haven’t been interested in DMing PF2.&nbsp; I suspect the 600 page CRB discouraged them.&nbsp; Or maybe the fact that they failed the PFS I ran for them due to 3 “poor” rolls (i.e. less than 12 on a d20).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrozenNorth, post: 8410274, member: 7020832"] I am always leery when someone who is clearly not a beginner DM makes comments about how one system is clearly more beginner DM-friendly than another one. 😀 With that said, let me do the exact same thing. Both my 12 y.o. and my 10 y.o. have taken a hand at DMing 5e. Both were successful and neither ran into the issue you described of CR being wildly off. As a matter of fact, my experience is that if you follow the CR guidelines, the adventures will probably be on the easy side, which means that there is leeway for both the DM and the players to make mistakes. This has not been my experience in PF2. There are a large number of decision points where a beginner DM with beginner players can make a “wrong” decision that will TPK the party. Like a party in which no one has Medicine. Or a party in which more than one character put a 16 in their prime stat. Or the players split the party. Or the DM focus fired. Or the DM didn’t hand out Hero points after the beginning of the game. Or the DM had reinforcements enter the room without giving the players an opportunity to rest. Of course, many beginner DMs choose to start with a published module so the don’t have to worry about balancing encounters. Of course, the published modules all have multiple deadly fights (can attest to Plaguestone and Abomination Vaults, AoA and EC is hearsay). As for my kids, they haven’t been interested in DMing PF2. I suspect the 600 page CRB discouraged them. Or maybe the fact that they failed the PFS I ran for them due to 3 “poor” rolls (i.e. less than 12 on a d20). [/QUOTE]

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