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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kenada" data-source="post: 8423083" data-attributes="member: 70468"><p>I was thinking the same thing. If you wanted to do that without the feat, one could use the VP subsystem to resolve it. The same goes for Group Impression (use the <a href="https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=1201" target="_blank">Influence</a> subsystem). Obviously, if one isn’t using the GMG, the GM can just make something up instead. The point is these feats are still valuable because they reduce the need to roll, reduce the time it takes, or make the outcome more certain. In a d20 game, those are all very desirable especially when the GM is making rulings.</p></blockquote><p></p>