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<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8425923" data-attributes="member: 7026617">You aren't required to do anything.&nbsp; But when you jump to a conclusion that a feat that says &quot;with this feat you can do X in Y specific fashion&quot; that its saying X can't be done at all otherwise, I am not required to follow you there, because that doesn't follow from the first statement.Again, no one is suggesting you should be allowing it for free, just for a different cost, whether its in terms of a more difficult roll, a penalty while you're doing it, or something else. That's not the same thing as &quot;can't do it without a feat.&quot;.[Citation needed].&nbsp; Every damn D&amp;Doid that doesn't just toss it entirely in the GM's lap in the first place (and I don't see that as any improvement at all) has this same exception-based design issue.&nbsp; Its been a chronic issue all the way back to AD&amp;D (or even arguably Greyhawk for OD&amp;D).&quot;Needlessly&quot; is a judgment call, and can't be anything but.And because you don't see it, everyone else is required to share your view.&nbsp; As per usual.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 8425923, member: 7026617"] [I]You[/I] aren't required to do anything. But when you jump to a conclusion that a feat that says "with this feat you can do X in Y specific fashion" that its saying X can't be done at all otherwise,[I] I[/I] am not required to follow you there, because that doesn't follow from the first statement. Again, no one is suggesting you should be allowing it for free, just for [I]a different cost[/I], whether its in terms of a more difficult roll, a penalty while you're doing it, or something else. That's not the same thing as "can't do it without a feat.". [Citation needed]. Every damn D&Doid that doesn't just toss it entirely in the GM's lap in the first place (and I don't see that as any improvement at all) has this same exception-based design issue. Its been a chronic issue all the way back to AD&D (or even arguably Greyhawk for OD&D). "Needlessly" is a judgment call, and can't be anything but. And because you don't see it, everyone else is required to share your view. As per usual. [/QUOTE]

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