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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7587343" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>I think that you misunderstand my sense of "epic/high fantasy" in this context. I found, for example, the Paizo blog talking about proficiencies in the new Pathfinder 2 playtest. </p><p>This is a bit more mythical and legendary than what is generally the case for 5e. </p><p></p><p>I think that one of the biggest fallacies of gaming is the idea that D&D can do everything well, especially 5e D&D in our current gaming environment. While Pathfinder is an off-brand version of D&D, there are undoubtedly things that each iteration of D&D can do better in terms of its spin on the fantasy genre, though at this point we may note how D&D has practically become its own sub-genre in fantasy. And there are and will be types of fantasy that 3e/PF1/PF2 will do better at emulating than 5e and vice versa. I don't understand why people get so sensitive about this fact, particularly when it comes to their pet system 5e. D&D is not my favorite game. Pathfinder is not my favorite game. I generally prefer Fate. But I don't claim - nor do the creators of Fate for that matter - that Fate does everything well. D&D 5e does not do everything well. People even often joke that D&D 5e is so popular because 5e is everyone's second favorite edition of D&D. </p><p></p><p>I believe that my point regarding "high epic fantasy" is one such point. 5e D&D and PF2 are both modes of D&D fantasy, and so they will do that well. And all D&D fantasy is essentially about the "high epic fantasy." But when we compare games within D&D-esque fantasy, we can nevertheless see differences of scope, emphasis, and strengths/weaknesses. No one bats an eye when one notes how 3e had godmode casters (e.g., wizards, clerics, druids) in comparison with 5e. Or even the number of magic items an assumed character had in 3e vs. 5e. So herein we can recognize at least two ways in which there is a difference of tone and flavor produced from those differences in our sense of high epic fantasy. And in the case of Pathfinder 2 (playtest), the above quote is fairly indicative that they are aspiring to a higher fantasy normative scope than what 5e assumes. Can you make 5e do that too? Sure. But does 5e assume it as normative in the same way? Probably not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7587343, member: 5142"] I think that you misunderstand my sense of "epic/high fantasy" in this context. I found, for example, the Paizo blog talking about proficiencies in the new Pathfinder 2 playtest. This is a bit more mythical and legendary than what is generally the case for 5e. I think that one of the biggest fallacies of gaming is the idea that D&D can do everything well, especially 5e D&D in our current gaming environment. While Pathfinder is an off-brand version of D&D, there are undoubtedly things that each iteration of D&D can do better in terms of its spin on the fantasy genre, though at this point we may note how D&D has practically become its own sub-genre in fantasy. And there are and will be types of fantasy that 3e/PF1/PF2 will do better at emulating than 5e and vice versa. I don't understand why people get so sensitive about this fact, particularly when it comes to their pet system 5e. D&D is not my favorite game. Pathfinder is not my favorite game. I generally prefer Fate. But I don't claim - nor do the creators of Fate for that matter - that Fate does everything well. D&D 5e does not do everything well. People even often joke that D&D 5e is so popular because 5e is everyone's second favorite edition of D&D. I believe that my point regarding "high epic fantasy" is one such point. 5e D&D and PF2 are both modes of D&D fantasy, and so they will do that well. And all D&D fantasy is essentially about the "high epic fantasy." But when we compare games within D&D-esque fantasy, we can nevertheless see differences of scope, emphasis, and strengths/weaknesses. No one bats an eye when one notes how 3e had godmode casters (e.g., wizards, clerics, druids) in comparison with 5e. Or even the number of magic items an assumed character had in 3e vs. 5e. So herein we can recognize at least two ways in which there is a difference of tone and flavor produced from those differences in our sense of high epic fantasy. And in the case of Pathfinder 2 (playtest), the above quote is fairly indicative that they are aspiring to a higher fantasy normative scope than what 5e assumes. Can you make 5e do that too? Sure. But does 5e assume it as normative in the same way? Probably not. [/QUOTE]
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