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<blockquote data-quote="Campbell" data-source="post: 7816032" data-attributes="member: 16586"><p>Fifth Edition is a really good game that is imminently playable out of the box. It is also not a perfect game. Design is largely about trade offs. Often to do one thing well you must make compromises in other areas. What is does well it like does <strong>really well</strong>. It provides a very smooth and incredibly accessible play experience.</p><p></p><p>As someone who is an avowed fan of the indie game scene I very much dislike the conflation of popularity with design quality. There are many good games that are not popular. Fifth Edition is a good game that happens to be popular. There are some games that were once very popular that I consider to not be well designed games. Games like Vampire.</p><p></p><p>I also broadly dislike using Fifth Edition as the gold standard for what other games with different design priorities and goals should look like because I value having a catalog of games that are meaningfully differentiated. I have Fifth Edition already. I do not need it again. Just like not every indie game needs to be Powered By The Apocalypse or Forged in the Dark.</p><p></p><p>Generally when I say something critical about a game I am not making a claim about its overall quality. I am generally talking about how well it is suited for a particular purpose. I consider Pathfinder Second Edition to be a really well designed game, but I would not use it for a one shot or for a game that was mostly a social event. For those sorts of games Fifth Edition or Dungeon World are much better fits.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Campbell, post: 7816032, member: 16586"] Fifth Edition is a really good game that is imminently playable out of the box. It is also not a perfect game. Design is largely about trade offs. Often to do one thing well you must make compromises in other areas. What is does well it like does [B]really well[/B]. It provides a very smooth and incredibly accessible play experience. As someone who is an avowed fan of the indie game scene I very much dislike the conflation of popularity with design quality. There are many good games that are not popular. Fifth Edition is a good game that happens to be popular. There are some games that were once very popular that I consider to not be well designed games. Games like Vampire. I also broadly dislike using Fifth Edition as the gold standard for what other games with different design priorities and goals should look like because I value having a catalog of games that are meaningfully differentiated. I have Fifth Edition already. I do not need it again. Just like not every indie game needs to be Powered By The Apocalypse or Forged in the Dark. Generally when I say something critical about a game I am not making a claim about its overall quality. I am generally talking about how well it is suited for a particular purpose. I consider Pathfinder Second Edition to be a really well designed game, but I would not use it for a one shot or for a game that was mostly a social event. For those sorts of games Fifth Edition or Dungeon World are much better fits. [/QUOTE]
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