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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 7816765" data-attributes="member: 6775031">Experiences are not objective. Popularity does not equate to quality. A lot of food is very popular, among those who don't know what's in it.I'm not certain that PF2 has many virtues. I'm not trying to pull PF2 up by dragging 5E down, or anything. Both games have huge, glaring flaws in them. Of the two, I doubt I could play either, right out of the box. At least 5E is somewhat amenable to house ruling.My subjective personally-biased views are neither more nor less valid than anyone those of anyone else on these boards. We can drop it for now, but I might have to come back and re-balance the perspective if anyone suggests that 5E is the be-all and end-all of D&D-like game design. Of the differences between 3E and 5E, none are obvious improvements; almost everything is just a trade-off, where a reasonable person could come down on either side.</blockquote>