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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JeffB" data-source="post: 7894417" data-attributes="member: 518">Former PF1 players who jumped into 5E, and now a few years later need "more" without going back to the PF 1 "mess" they left behind? I cannot imagine that is the only group- but I am sure that was taken into account.As I've stated before- I think PF2 seems more like the game Jason always wanted to make- with no real baggage from having to remain loyal to 3.5 like PF1 did. I also think PF1 was a lightning strike. It was the right product at the right time when D&D was bein mishandled. Now, it's just another D20 game- it didn't go far enough for people who disliked PF1, and went way too far for the PF1 fans, and will carve it's own little niche- no longer the powerhouse it was 8 or 9 years ago.</blockquote>