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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 7896963" data-attributes="member: 957">I think there is a lot interesting here.&nbsp; We are both people who play something other than 5E, but for different reasons.&nbsp; But clearly 5E is huge (like mind-bogglingly so) despite us.....&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />To start with a purely personal opinion statement: I'd remove the word &quot;backpedaling&quot; and replace with &quot;returning to the point where a wrong turn was taken and then moving forward correctly from there.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; Obviously we disagree and I can't stress enough how much I respect your opinion and taste for your own game.&nbsp; But if we stop talking about what you or I like and play pretend for a minute that my ability to provide for my family is tied to the sales of D&amp;D, then I'd throw myself at ignoring my own taste and sing the praises of 5E exactly as it is from the highest hilltop.&nbsp; I suspect you would as well if this were a livelihood issue for you.&nbsp; and we can both very happily go about playing our own home games however we want.&nbsp; But clearly there are a TON of people who really love 5E.&nbsp; So it can be said that you are simply wrong to call it backpedaling.&nbsp; Clearly this starts to get into a hazy area of fact vs. opinion.&nbsp; But by making the changes they made (and ignoring the protests for both you and of me) they have delivered way more fun to way more people than any RPG has ever come close to before.&nbsp;&nbsp; The &quot;delivering the greatest amount of joy to humanity&quot; answer and the full-on capitalism &quot;drive the sales&quot; answer are the exact same.&nbsp; 5E wins.Bringing it back to PF2E and looking at the past several posts, you can invert this conversation.&nbsp; Again, without disrespecting that there is clearly a niche for whom PF2E hit the perfect sweet spot, it seems to have done a lot to alienate both sides.&nbsp; It picked up exactly the things from 4E that we intolerable to me, while keeping the things from PF that were intolerable to others.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 7896963, member: 957"] I think there is a lot interesting here. We are both people who play something other than 5E, but for different reasons. But clearly 5E is huge (like mind-bogglingly so) despite us..... :) To start with a purely personal opinion statement: I'd remove the word "backpedaling" and replace with "returning to the point where a wrong turn was taken and then moving forward correctly from there." Obviously we disagree and I can't stress enough how much I respect your opinion and taste for your own game. But if we stop talking about what you or I like and play pretend for a minute that my ability to provide for my family is tied to the sales of D&D, then I'd throw myself at ignoring my own taste and sing the praises of 5E exactly as it is from the highest hilltop. I suspect you would as well if this were a livelihood issue for you. and we can both very happily go about playing our own home games however we want. But clearly there are a TON of people who really love 5E. So it can be said that you are simply wrong to call it backpedaling. Clearly this starts to get into a hazy area of fact vs. opinion. But by making the changes they made (and ignoring the protests for both you and of me) they have delivered way more fun to way more people than any RPG has ever come close to before. The "delivering the greatest amount of joy to humanity" answer and the full-on capitalism "drive the sales" answer are the exact same. 5E wins. Bringing it back to PF2E and looking at the past several posts, you can invert this conversation. Again, without disrespecting that there is clearly a niche for whom PF2E hit the perfect sweet spot, it seems to have done a lot to alienate both sides. It picked up exactly the things from 4E that we intolerable to me, while keeping the things from PF that were intolerable to others. [/QUOTE]

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