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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 7897297" data-attributes="member: 83242">The hydra isn't the only monster.&nbsp; There is at least one other monster with that trait, and several monsters &quot;play&quot; with the action economy.&nbsp; For example:&nbsp; the red dragon can bite as OA and redirect fire&nbsp; as a reaction.&nbsp; It call also make three attacks with its 2 action &quot;Draconic Fury.&quot;&nbsp; I would also argue &quot;boss&quot; monsters are not some arbitrary monster.&nbsp; I mean, you specifically asked about making it an MMO style boss monster.&nbsp; That is not some arbitrary monster.However, I guess when it comes down to it, I am less worried about &quot;breaking&quot; the action economy and more worries about making it an interesting combat.&nbsp; However, I do think it is an interesting exercise to see how far you can stretch it.&nbsp; Maybe I am less creative than you, but limiting myself to the 3-action economy for a boss monster doesn't seem like the way to go.&nbsp;You realize that wasn't how monsters were/are made in 4e or 5e.&nbsp; I have seen that style of monster hombrewed for 4e and 5e, but it was never part of an official design.&nbsp; The concept is edition neutral, you could do the same thing in 1e, 2e, 3e, PF1, and PF2.&nbsp; So I don't really understand you comment on that concept.&nbsp;You can give monsters feats if you want.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 7897297, member: 83242"] The hydra isn't the only monster. There is at least one other monster with that trait, and several monsters "play" with the action economy. For example: the red dragon can bite as OA and redirect fire as a reaction. It call also make three attacks with its 2 action "Draconic Fury." I would also argue "boss" monsters are not some arbitrary monster. I mean, you specifically asked about making it an MMO style boss monster. That is not some arbitrary monster. However, I guess when it comes down to it, I am less worried about "breaking" the action economy and more worries about making it an interesting combat. However, I do think it is an interesting exercise to see how far you can stretch it. Maybe I am less creative than you, but limiting myself to the 3-action economy for a boss monster doesn't seem like the way to go. You realize that wasn't how monsters were/are made in 4e or 5e. I have seen that style of monster hombrewed for 4e and 5e, but it was never part of an official design. The concept is edition neutral, you could do the same thing in 1e, 2e, 3e, PF1, and PF2. So I don't really understand you comment on that concept. You can give monsters feats if you want. [/QUOTE]

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