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Message: <blockquote data-quote="PMárk" data-source="post: 7357105" data-attributes="member: 6804619">Which was to be expected, although, I think after that first wave it stabilized. In a nutshell, most people who played PF, because they didn't like 4e, but, in fact welcomed the simplification of 5e already went over.   On Roll 20, or are we talking in general? In general, I think there was some movement, when some portion of the people who went over to 5e at first, got bored after a while and went back to PF.  And, as I said above, they doesn't have to compete directly. As long as the playerbase is growing, it doesn't really matter that 5e is that much bigger. Of course it is, it targets a much bigger demographic group. It doesn't mean PF is shrinking. It just means that more people are eating at McDonalds than at a much smaller restaurant chain, but as long as the small chain has its stablie and growing costumer base, it's okay.That's true, that's why I said that those are my impressions, because I don't know the numbres, just as none of us.I think their main audience for the new rulebooks are not primarily new gamers. They have other products for that. That's the thing, WotC's main target audience for their books is new gamers, while Paizo's is more dedicated fans. I think WotC starts to reach that adventure bloat... Or, you know, I might actually make my new character a Shifter... I think you assesment is a bit too black and white. There are stuff in the new books I want to use and I bet it's like that for a lot of people. But yeah, naturally, you won't use everything, but it's still nicer to have it, than not, because maybe your buddy will use it, or one of you players, or whatnot. But yeah, as above, the main target audience of Paizo's books is dedicated fans, that could be labeled as "collectors", especially, since the big books' content is on the website for free.For example, the Advanced Class guide might have seemed redundant, but honestly, I actually really liked at least half of the new classes and want to use them. Will I, taking into consideration the realities of how much I could play? No, but it's still good to have the choices, because I will play some of them. Well, that, I could get behind. The big hardcovers are too crunch and player-options focused. The fluff content is good, but I think it should be more that and less another 20 pages of feats. The 64 page Campaign Setting books are mostly fine, IMO and easily my favorite products from them.Hmmm. I'm a bit torn, because some of those, I really liked and I think, while yeah, they are scraping the bottom with them there are still good ones, but I'm not sure it won't be better to integrate the content somehow into the big books. Or just making the Companions pdf-only and releasing them annually, or bi-annually with some extra fluff as one big hardcover. Kinda like the old magazine annuals, or the newer hardcover re-releases of the first APs.</blockquote>

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