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<blockquote data-quote="Geron Raveneye" data-source="post: 4123486" data-attributes="member: 2268"><p>Yep, that's what the elven wizard in Pathfinder gets over the elven wizard in D&D 3.5, and yes, I'd cut the bonus spells for high INT out as well, as they did with the specialist bonus spells already.</p><p></p><p>And yes, I keep insisting that this will make a Headband of Intellect, or wands of magic missile, easier to ditch. And I'm sorry, but all the arguments about why those "big six" are so ubiquitous simply boil down to one fact...because DMs allowed them to be. There is <strong>nothing</strong> in the RAW that translates to "player characters can order magical items from a menu". It is assumptions and expectations, and DMs that let themselves be overruled by the desires of their players (which isn't always bad as long as it doesn't lead to totally unbalanced games...which THIS did, as the discussions around 4E clearly showed). In my opinion, the power-ups Pathfinder gives the classes simply gives the DM a more solid argument to stand by his "Sorry, not available" when his players want to send their characters on a shopping spree through Magic-Mart.</p><p></p><p>I'd agree on toning down the wizard in Pathfinder, or rather on rebalancing his powers...at will cantrips and school powers as well as more feats make bonus spells completely unnecessary in my eyes, and I've said so on the Paizo boards as well. But even if they don't take them out...taking them out myself is, as far as houserules concerned, a lot less problematic than, say, taking out Attacks of Opportunities.</p><p></p><p>Clerics exchange their domain bonus spells for domain powers, and the regular turning for a burst of positive energy that hurts undead and heals living (or vice versa with negative energy). That's all, as far as I can see. But take a look...as you can see, our discussion about the wizard has already pointed me at something I'd misunderstood before. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Geron Raveneye, post: 4123486, member: 2268"] Yep, that's what the elven wizard in Pathfinder gets over the elven wizard in D&D 3.5, and yes, I'd cut the bonus spells for high INT out as well, as they did with the specialist bonus spells already. And yes, I keep insisting that this will make a Headband of Intellect, or wands of magic missile, easier to ditch. And I'm sorry, but all the arguments about why those "big six" are so ubiquitous simply boil down to one fact...because DMs allowed them to be. There is [b]nothing[/b] in the RAW that translates to "player characters can order magical items from a menu". It is assumptions and expectations, and DMs that let themselves be overruled by the desires of their players (which isn't always bad as long as it doesn't lead to totally unbalanced games...which THIS did, as the discussions around 4E clearly showed). In my opinion, the power-ups Pathfinder gives the classes simply gives the DM a more solid argument to stand by his "Sorry, not available" when his players want to send their characters on a shopping spree through Magic-Mart. I'd agree on toning down the wizard in Pathfinder, or rather on rebalancing his powers...at will cantrips and school powers as well as more feats make bonus spells completely unnecessary in my eyes, and I've said so on the Paizo boards as well. But even if they don't take them out...taking them out myself is, as far as houserules concerned, a lot less problematic than, say, taking out Attacks of Opportunities. Clerics exchange their domain bonus spells for domain powers, and the regular turning for a burst of positive energy that hurts undead and heals living (or vice versa with negative energy). That's all, as far as I can see. But take a look...as you can see, our discussion about the wizard has already pointed me at something I'd misunderstood before. :) [/QUOTE]
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