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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IronWolf" data-source="post: 5325113" data-attributes="member: 21076">It could certainly be a little clearer!  You are right, that if you stack the two it definitely can swing the damage to a pretty high number.  I will probably need to run through a few scenarios and see how it plays out and determine how I will run it when we get to this section in our Kingmaker Campaign.  I am wondering if the penalty to DV makes a big enough difference to make doing so a risky proposition even with the damage boost.  Seeing it in play will help me get a feel for it so I can adjust as needed.I have considered trying the Warpath rules for this as well, but waiting to see how "into" the kingdom aspect my players get as we move forward.</blockquote>