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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IronWolf" data-source="post: 5271248" data-attributes="member: 21076">This can be said for about anything someone buys though.  Sometimes you are happy with the purchase and sometimes you aren't.  Granted if you end up liking the game then you do end up needing some more books, but if designed as Reynard and I have suggested then you've probably been able to get 3 to 6 months of play time out of it (more than some video games these days), now own a full set of dice and possibly a couple of minis. And I love the $10 pdf for the Pathfinder Core Rulebooks.  But I just don't see someone picking up a PDF of a new game they've never tried as their start to the RPG world.  And you are still missing some of the extras that would likely (hopefully) come in a Pathfinder Basic set.  I think the PDF works great for those of us that have played RPGs before.  We have the basic concepts down, we know what to look for and what we need to know to start playing a new game.  So the PDF is an easy, low hurdle way for us folks that have played RPGs for awhile to try out a new game.But for people new to RPGs and d20 genre in general, PDFs seem a difficult way to learn from to me.  People new to the game I suspect tend to find themselves flipping around in the book more to find the rules or descriptions they need.  This just seems easier to do with a real book than a PDF.The other issue with relying on the PDF is that it is more difficult to get out in front of people.  You need physical books or box sets to be on the big bookstore bookshelves, at the toy store and at the local gaming shop.  You can't do this with PDFs causing you to lose some exposure.If the Pathfinder Basics was akin to what Reynard and I seem to think are good starts, then even if you buy the full version of the PDF books you are still going to need some dice to play (included in Pathfinder Basics as proposed) and possibly some minis, though you could use other around the house objects as minis, but you're trying to hook people with this set.This sounds like a high hurdle for entry.  I've been gathering Pathfinder books over the past several months and did not know that Crown of the Kobold King has these things in it in such a manner.  How is a person new to RPGs supposed to know to pick up this module?In this case there are two possible outcomes as well:I did have in my list of things to include in the Pathfinder Basic set a coupon that goes towards the purchase of the core rulebooks, just to help defray this cost a bit.  The waste money thing is something people encounter everyday as they decide what to buy and what not to buy.  If you like the game, if you get a Pathfinder Basic set that I have suggested you will have likely had 3 to 6 months of play time out of it, hardly wasted money - especially given that a good number of video games cost $50 to $60 and can be beat in far less time.I think the issue is that some people are intimidated by a large rulebook.  And when they are new to the game they don't know what information they really need up front so feel more pressure to read and understand the whole book.Now you or I, probably having played RPG games of some flavor can likely pick up a brand new game system and realize we just need to look at a few specific sections to get started and then fill in the rest as we go.  I think that is attributed to experience though and not something someone new to RPGs is going to know.</blockquote>

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