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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 8174720" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>I didn't say the Starter set was...and I don't think many have. </p><p></p><p>There is something else called the Essentials Kit. It came out after the Starter Set. You should really look it up if you do not know what the Essentials Kit is. It is NOT the Starter Set, it is a different item for 5e which allows you to do all the PF BB box does, but with more classes, races, levels, and adventure possilibities. It lacks the grid graph (which is basically useless in the BB except for the included adventure) and the pawns. </p><p></p><p>It is the ESSENTIALS KIT. In it you have the rules to create a character, go up to level 6, have 5 classes and 4 races with many subraces, and a branching adventure (dice seem higher quality as well). </p><p></p><p>You can combine it with the Starter Set (buying both of them can be cheaper than buying one PF2e BB even) to have yet even more adventures and items to work with (monsters and other items).</p><p></p><p>I don't think many have claimed what you said about the Starter Set, it's about the Essentials Kit or the EK and Starter Set combined.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If we want to get technical, in addition when you combine both ( It may just be in the Essentials Kit, but as I combined mine, I can't be positive which came with which set) they also include a cardboard DM's screen (which the PF2e BB does not) as well as condition cards (for example, say someone is hit prone, the DM can hand them a card which describes everything about it, the BB has one as well, but it is all on one card) and indicates that they currently have that condition. It also has Magic Item cards amongst other items which the PF 2e BB does not.</p><p></p><p>Overall, the Essentials Kit is a bargain, combined with the Starter Set it's far more value for the money in my opinion than the PF2e BB.</p><p></p><p></p><p>PS: That doesn't mean I dislike everything about PF2e, I just think that the PF2e BB is a BAD value. Alone it rates higher than the 5e Starter set, but it rates lower than every other box set that's come out for games like PF or D&D....</p><p></p><p>Regarding things that I DO think PF2e made some good choices about, at least as I understand it...</p><p></p><p>Fighters hit better than other classes. They get bonuses granted by class abilities to actually hit better than others...something 5e doesn't really do.</p><p></p><p>The 3 action paradigm works better than the lose all your multiple attacks if you move paradigm of PF 1e</p><p></p><p>Skills are imaginative...</p><p></p><p>But I DO think the PF2e BB is not that great of a value in comparison to what else has been released in the past, or what is even out presently (the Star Finder Box which we tried has a LOT MORE value for the money in my opinion, and obviously the Essentials Kit for D&D 5e has the best value presently in my opinion).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 8174720, member: 4348"] I didn't say the Starter set was...and I don't think many have. There is something else called the Essentials Kit. It came out after the Starter Set. You should really look it up if you do not know what the Essentials Kit is. It is NOT the Starter Set, it is a different item for 5e which allows you to do all the PF BB box does, but with more classes, races, levels, and adventure possilibities. It lacks the grid graph (which is basically useless in the BB except for the included adventure) and the pawns. It is the ESSENTIALS KIT. In it you have the rules to create a character, go up to level 6, have 5 classes and 4 races with many subraces, and a branching adventure (dice seem higher quality as well). You can combine it with the Starter Set (buying both of them can be cheaper than buying one PF2e BB even) to have yet even more adventures and items to work with (monsters and other items). I don't think many have claimed what you said about the Starter Set, it's about the Essentials Kit or the EK and Starter Set combined. If we want to get technical, in addition when you combine both ( It may just be in the Essentials Kit, but as I combined mine, I can't be positive which came with which set) they also include a cardboard DM's screen (which the PF2e BB does not) as well as condition cards (for example, say someone is hit prone, the DM can hand them a card which describes everything about it, the BB has one as well, but it is all on one card) and indicates that they currently have that condition. It also has Magic Item cards amongst other items which the PF 2e BB does not. Overall, the Essentials Kit is a bargain, combined with the Starter Set it's far more value for the money in my opinion than the PF2e BB. PS: That doesn't mean I dislike everything about PF2e, I just think that the PF2e BB is a BAD value. Alone it rates higher than the 5e Starter set, but it rates lower than every other box set that's come out for games like PF or D&D.... Regarding things that I DO think PF2e made some good choices about, at least as I understand it... Fighters hit better than other classes. They get bonuses granted by class abilities to actually hit better than others...something 5e doesn't really do. The 3 action paradigm works better than the lose all your multiple attacks if you move paradigm of PF 1e Skills are imaginative... But I DO think the PF2e BB is not that great of a value in comparison to what else has been released in the past, or what is even out presently (the Star Finder Box which we tried has a LOT MORE value for the money in my opinion, and obviously the Essentials Kit for D&D 5e has the best value presently in my opinion). [/QUOTE]
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