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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ronaldsf" data-source="post: 8183388" data-attributes="member: 6672921">Havent visited this thread in a couple days, but first Greylord I'm glad you shared more info about your negative session.I agree that PF2 IS more involved in character creation than 5e. For folks who've felt like they need to defend PF2's system as simple: it sounds like this wasn't the dealbreaker for Greylord and rather it was the difficulty.All that said, having a +4 in your main Stat should mean that you have a +7 in your main attacks at 1st level. The fighter should have a +9. This is because you add your Proficiency Bonus (Trained is Level+2, so 3... Expert is Level+4, so 5) to your ability modifier.This Proficiency Modifier is added your AC and all your saving throws and DCs as well. So your AC at level 1 should be somewhere between 15 and 18 (unless you were a wizard who tanked DEX). Those rats should not be able to hit PCs by rolling 6s and 8s.Having stats that are 3 lower than what they should be is almost like having Level 0 characters in this system. No wonder your 1st experience left a bad taste! Perhaps the BB should have been clearer on everything you add up for your stats? Sorry that happened to you.If this is indeed what happened, I venture to say that if your group is willing that you should try again? Because what you got would NOT have been a representative experience. As you observed, small differences of 1 or 2 make a huge difference in this system. Your group might have played Dark Souls in nightmare mode.</blockquote>

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