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<blockquote data-quote="transmission89" data-source="post: 8204176" data-attributes="member: 6688441"><p>This is my point though. Throughout a lot of their posts (not just on this thread) it is the consistent begging the question around a lot of pathfinder 2, even when the original question is unrelated (such as this thread who’s original focus was on the beginner box as a product and not the place to continue criticising the main system, which has led this long meander where we are now).</p><p></p><p>Your premise on which you build upon is also flawed here as, like zapp (though without the arrogant pronouncement as fact) you are making the argument on assumptions : “To out perform 5e or compete with it, you have to identify what is does well and then do it better?”</p><p></p><p>To my mind, no to both. This assumes that a) Paizo were specifically aiming to compete with 5e and b) the way to do that is by making 5e++.</p><p></p><p>a) Yes they are competing in the sense that all ttrpgs compete for market share, but does WFRP, COC, SWRPG, OSE etc set out to “compete with 5e?” I would contend not.</p><p></p><p>b) Is making the same product as your main rival, but better, the best way to gain market share and “win”? With various products, many companies have tried this and failed, just being better often isn’t enough to gain Customers already invested in an ecosystem. Not saying it can’t be done, but it’s not always a sure bet.</p><p></p><p>Your personal preference of organisation by suggesting of moving the content around as being the way to shake up the “legacy” issues is just that, a personal preference. I certainly wouldn’t agree to that were Paizo to do a survey about book organisation!</p><p></p><p>Your post does provoke a lot of thought and I think highlights an issue that Paizo does have to overcome, those who do actually just see it as 5e++ rather than its own thing and judge it as a success or failure based on that. A possible solution exists in the way it can differentiate itself</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="transmission89, post: 8204176, member: 6688441"] This is my point though. Throughout a lot of their posts (not just on this thread) it is the consistent begging the question around a lot of pathfinder 2, even when the original question is unrelated (such as this thread who’s original focus was on the beginner box as a product and not the place to continue criticising the main system, which has led this long meander where we are now). Your premise on which you build upon is also flawed here as, like zapp (though without the arrogant pronouncement as fact) you are making the argument on assumptions : “To out perform 5e or compete with it, you have to identify what is does well and then do it better?” To my mind, no to both. This assumes that a) Paizo were specifically aiming to compete with 5e and b) the way to do that is by making 5e++. a) Yes they are competing in the sense that all ttrpgs compete for market share, but does WFRP, COC, SWRPG, OSE etc set out to “compete with 5e?” I would contend not. b) Is making the same product as your main rival, but better, the best way to gain market share and “win”? With various products, many companies have tried this and failed, just being better often isn’t enough to gain Customers already invested in an ecosystem. Not saying it can’t be done, but it’s not always a sure bet. Your personal preference of organisation by suggesting of moving the content around as being the way to shake up the “legacy” issues is just that, a personal preference. I certainly wouldn’t agree to that were Paizo to do a survey about book organisation! Your post does provoke a lot of thought and I think highlights an issue that Paizo does have to overcome, those who do actually just see it as 5e++ rather than its own thing and judge it as a success or failure based on that. A possible solution exists in the way it can differentiate itself [/QUOTE]
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