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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sollir Furryfoot" data-source="post: 4427821" data-attributes="member: 748">Just to chime in, people who are wondering why there isn't a big change between the Alpha stages and this Beta release shouldn't be surprised.  The point of Beta being put it out is for people like us to be actually testing out the system and see what works and what doesn't.  I was reading a post by Lisa Stevens about this on the paizo boards (I'd quote it but it looks like they're down temporarily) and this is pretty much how playtesting is done-Alpha is (for the most part) what you're going to see in Beta but you get it in chunks.  The real revision is done between Beta and the final release.Instead of criticizing Paizo so much, gamers should be excited about having a chance to contribute to the final balance, flavor, etc... of this version of D&D.  This isn't the final product people, you have to hang with it, give it a shot and then give your feedback to Paizo if you want to see a change-and the great thing is that they're encouraging you to do it!That said, many people do not agree on several issues and so everyone's going to have to compromise at some point-even if it just means you're house-ruling it back in your games.  For instance, a lot of people like Spot and Listen to be separate skills-some don't and both groups are fairly large.  These are minor details, and I hate to sound like a fanboy but I have faith that the Paizo team will do really well with the *finished* product.  We all know they're consistently good with their quality, after all <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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