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<blockquote data-quote="jadrax" data-source="post: 4427876" data-attributes="member: 7175"><p>I think this misses the fundamental point of what people are complaining about. Which is the methodology being used, not the actual ruleset per say.</p><p></p><p>I think I can safely predict right now that the people who are complaining that they prioritise big changes over backward compatibility are not going to like Pathfinder no matter how many iterations of playtesting or design revisions it goes through.</p><p></p><p>If you do not think the *Big Issues* that 4ed addressed where big issues, (which many people do not,) then you will probably either like pathfinder or be happy with the current ruleset anyway.</p><p></p><p>If you do think that the *Big Issues* that 4ed addresses where indeed Big Issues that needed fixing, then Pathfinder is not going fix them because to do so requires rewriting every single stat. block so far published. Which means you get to either move to 4ed or wait for a new game to come along.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now of that is a bad thing, the fact that Pathfinder is not going to change those things is by no means a bad move, plenty of people do not want them changed, I suspect far more people than do want them changes that also have rejected 4ed.</p><p></p><p>But telling people who do think those things are big issues that Pathfinder will suit them is dishonest. The game is well able to stand on the merits of what it is looking at doing, without false hope of it doing things it clearly will not. It is worth noting that as far as I can see, Pazio itself is not claiming it will fix everything: They have already confirmed things like Skill Point Changes, Vancian Magic Use, Sorcerer Spell progression and other things are essentially sacred cows that will not be changed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jadrax, post: 4427876, member: 7175"] I think this misses the fundamental point of what people are complaining about. Which is the methodology being used, not the actual ruleset per say. I think I can safely predict right now that the people who are complaining that they prioritise big changes over backward compatibility are not going to like Pathfinder no matter how many iterations of playtesting or design revisions it goes through. If you do not think the *Big Issues* that 4ed addressed where big issues, (which many people do not,) then you will probably either like pathfinder or be happy with the current ruleset anyway. If you do think that the *Big Issues* that 4ed addresses where indeed Big Issues that needed fixing, then Pathfinder is not going fix them because to do so requires rewriting every single stat. block so far published. Which means you get to either move to 4ed or wait for a new game to come along. Now of that is a bad thing, the fact that Pathfinder is not going to change those things is by no means a bad move, plenty of people do not want them changed, I suspect far more people than do want them changes that also have rejected 4ed. But telling people who do think those things are big issues that Pathfinder will suit them is dishonest. The game is well able to stand on the merits of what it is looking at doing, without false hope of it doing things it clearly will not. It is worth noting that as far as I can see, Pazio itself is not claiming it will fix everything: They have already confirmed things like Skill Point Changes, Vancian Magic Use, Sorcerer Spell progression and other things are essentially sacred cows that will not be changed. [/QUOTE]
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