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<blockquote data-quote="Gailbraithe" data-source="post: 4430406" data-attributes="member: 39048"><p>The only one of these issues I cared about was the 15-minute adventuring day, and the only thing about that I cared about was I think it's dumb that wizards and sorcerers have to use crossbows at low levels. I get why my spellcaster players blow their spells early in the dungeon: throwing magic around is the whole point. I love Pathfinder's solution of giving every mage his own little zappy Gauntlet Wizard popcorn shooter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmm. I don't think the framework of 3.5 is shaky. It was the subsystems -- grappling, maneuvers -- that needed tweaks.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See, I consider myself the perfect target for Pathfinder. It fixes just about everything about 3.5 I didn't like, and I can fix the rest with less than a page of house rules. I have few suggestions and tweaks for the final version, which I'll share with Jason and the paizo boards. But ultimately, i likie the way 3.5 plays, and I really, really, strongly and passionately do not want that to change. So you know, I hope Paizo disagrees with you.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's exactly what 3.5 needed. More flexibility in the base classes, so that there is less need for books beyond the core book. I love that the new Rogue can do the Grey Mouser thing without ever multiclassing, and that I can do a striaght up Viking shield-biting berserker Barbarian, or some funky flamesouled religious dervish who channels fire through her weapons using the same class.</p><p></p><p>And don't even get me started on how much I love the changes to Sorcerers, Specialists and Domains.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I hated the old cleave. It was either never useful, or obnoxiously over useful. I haven't seen the new cleave in action much, so I can't really say whether the changes are good changes, but yeah, I saw a need to change cleave.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Mean this in the best way: Here's to hoping you are left unsatisfied, because I <strong>love</strong> where this is going right now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gailbraithe, post: 4430406, member: 39048"] The only one of these issues I cared about was the 15-minute adventuring day, and the only thing about that I cared about was I think it's dumb that wizards and sorcerers have to use crossbows at low levels. I get why my spellcaster players blow their spells early in the dungeon: throwing magic around is the whole point. I love Pathfinder's solution of giving every mage his own little zappy Gauntlet Wizard popcorn shooter. Hmm. I don't think the framework of 3.5 is shaky. It was the subsystems -- grappling, maneuvers -- that needed tweaks. See, I consider myself the perfect target for Pathfinder. It fixes just about everything about 3.5 I didn't like, and I can fix the rest with less than a page of house rules. I have few suggestions and tweaks for the final version, which I'll share with Jason and the paizo boards. But ultimately, i likie the way 3.5 plays, and I really, really, strongly and passionately do not want that to change. So you know, I hope Paizo disagrees with you. It's exactly what 3.5 needed. More flexibility in the base classes, so that there is less need for books beyond the core book. I love that the new Rogue can do the Grey Mouser thing without ever multiclassing, and that I can do a striaght up Viking shield-biting berserker Barbarian, or some funky flamesouled religious dervish who channels fire through her weapons using the same class. And don't even get me started on how much I love the changes to Sorcerers, Specialists and Domains. I hated the old cleave. It was either never useful, or obnoxiously over useful. I haven't seen the new cleave in action much, so I can't really say whether the changes are good changes, but yeah, I saw a need to change cleave. Mean this in the best way: Here's to hoping you are left unsatisfied, because I [B]love[/B] where this is going right now. [/QUOTE]
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