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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alaxk Knight of Galt" data-source="post: 5142198" data-attributes="member: 4129">I guess this is what I find elegant about the solution.  PF Wildshape enumerates the powers it can provide and gives a fixed bonus to stats.  This frees up designers and developers to make whatever monster they'd like knowing it won't be abused by a 4th level spell (which is commonly in play).  Look at the Pathfinder <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-lists-and-details/-c/cat/tiger" target="_blank">Tiger</a>;  Str 23, Dex 15, Con 17.  Those are some fine physical stats.  Let's just assume our druid had straight 11s for his physical stats.  3.5 Wildshaping into a tiger would give +12 Str, +4 Dex, and +6 Con, size large, a speed of 40, three attacks, pounce, rake, and grab.Pathfinder Wildshape gives +4 Str -2 Dex (for being large), size large, a speed of 40, three attacks, pounce, and grab.  Is the ability worthless now?  No.  However it does remove the boggling +22 to physical stats (and the tiger was just a single monster off the top of my head, you can probably find greater examples).  In PF, to get the best use out of wildshaping into a tiger the druid build would need to be a little different (focusing on physical stats instead of mental stats).  I find this to be a fine trade off as now their is a wildshape druid build and a more caster oriented druid build.</blockquote>