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<blockquote data-quote="ancientvaults" data-source="post: 5067478" data-attributes="member: 83400">I made a comment a while back on the Paizo Pathfinder forum regarding a dwarf sorcerer (which one of my players has). There was a reply to me to the effect that it was not a wise idea because a dwarf has -2 to Charisma. &nbsp;For a while I tried not to think about it, but I see this attitude as a fundamental problem (to me, at least) with how some people approach these games. The person who replied to me seemed to be implying that there was going to be an &quot;18&quot; in the Charisma slot naturally, but if a race was played that had a hindrance in that attribute it wasn't a smart plan.&nbsp;Character creation in our games is 4d6, drop the lowest and put the number where you want to. There are no &quot;done deals&quot; with an 18 for anyone, and that isn't a bad thing, is it? Aren't flawed characters and overcoming their downsides fun? &nbsp;I have kept away from that forum since because I see the &quot;need to win&quot; or &quot;be the best&quot; mentality is common and that isn't the way we play. But then, my players don't portray heroes, they are usually scalawags. They don't bravely kill things and steal their stuff as often as they make a tactical retreat when the situation calls for it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ancientvaults, post: 5067478, member: 83400"] I made a comment a while back on the Paizo Pathfinder forum regarding a dwarf sorcerer (which one of my players has). There was a reply to me to the effect that it was not a wise idea because a dwarf has -2 to Charisma. For a while I tried not to think about it, but I see this attitude as a fundamental problem (to me, at least) with how some people approach these games. The person who replied to me seemed to be implying that there was going to be an "18" in the Charisma slot naturally, but if a race was played that had a hindrance in that attribute it wasn't a smart plan. Character creation in our games is 4d6, drop the lowest and put the number where you want to. There are no "done deals" with an 18 for anyone, and that isn't a bad thing, is it? Aren't flawed characters and overcoming their downsides fun? I have kept away from that forum since because I see the "need to win" or "be the best" mentality is common and that isn't the way we play. But then, my players don't portray heroes, they are usually scalawags. They don't bravely kill things and steal their stuff as often as they make a tactical retreat when the situation calls for it. [/QUOTE]

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