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Message: <blockquote data-quote="glass" data-source="post: 8635895" data-attributes="member: 12251">A few more comments that I meant to include in the previous post, but I had to go do a thing (and anyway it was long enough):What the ELH called Epic spells take a very long time and a lot of resources to develop, and as such are only suitable for campaigns that remain at Epic levels for a goodly while.  Although I have some aspiration of running a full-length Epic campaign, that may never actually happen. What is much more likely to happen though is campaigns that finish at 21st and 22nd level. And certainly in Age of Worms there was no time to develop what I am now calling Cosmic spells during that final chapter. I wanted something that character could buy into and use right away, and (what I call) Epic spells fit the bill.Obviously, being a fixed list my Epic spells will not scale up indefintely - at the moment they are mostly 11th level, but the idea is eventually to go to spell level 20 (available at around caster level 39)This is part of why Cosmic spells are still around (kinda). The other part is of course Tales of Wyre.Having typed them all out like that, they seem a bit long winded (and also a bit too close to "Epic Spellcaster"). I think I might drop the "Spell" and just have them be "Epic Arcane Caster" etc.One thing that the previous post kinda alluded to but did not spell out - unless I change my mind when I actually write Cosmic spells, they use the same slots as Epic spells (and metamagiced normal spells). Partly because the proliferation of spell slots makes things fiddly, and partly because the ELH method of basing it on skill ranks does not really work with skill ranks capped at 20.As an aside, Epic Spellcaster needs max levels in a spellcasting class, but it does not really care which spellcasting class. It is perfectly for a Paladin 20 to take it to get 5th level slots. If they take it six more times, they will have 11th level slots and qualify for Epic Divine caster and/or Cosmic Spellcaster (as long as they can meet the skill and ability score prereqs). Of course, by that point they are at least 33rd level and will have used almost half their feats on it so it is quite an investment._glass.</blockquote>

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