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<blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5604491" data-attributes="member: 6957">Oh, piffle - don't start edition warring when there is no cause. (Not to mention these are WizKids, not Paizo - a licensed product, but not Paizo's.)The Pathfinder minis aren't being marketed the same way as the bulk of D&amp;DM. Aimed purely at folks for the RPG, not the way D&amp;DM aimed at a mix of wargaming and RPG. Among other differences is the visibility of all the figures. The one attempt that I remember for the D&amp;DM to do the same was the two player starter set... which had more miniatures than the Pathfinder plastics at a similar price, but also a very odd mix of those figures. WizKids are likely looking at a much smaller production run than even the smallest release for D&amp;DM. Lower production increases the price per unit. D&amp;DM could have a lower price because they made a boatload of them.There were reasons beyond price that D&amp;DM failed, shrinking market because they pretty much killed support of the miniatures game being primary, some really bad production values - sometimes in sets that had fairly decent production otherwise. Random packaging, maybe - I do know that the only D&amp;DM sets I bought was on the strength of the visible minis in those releases that had them. (Hey, I like the Rhemoraz....)These Pathfinder minis could fail, and price might well be part of the reason, but comparing this with D&amp;DM is like comparing apples to pears - obvious similarities, but equally obvious differences.I very much doubt that a continuing PFRPG pre-painted mini line will ever capture the same market or market share that D&amp;DM did, and I doubt that WizKids will try. I kind of expect a series of themed visible releases, if there is any continuation at all.They may be priced above what the market will support, but it may also be the price point that they need to match production costs. Success or failure will likely be seen in October.Let both lines succeed or fail on their own merits and flaws, don't go looking for dispute where none is needed.The Auld Grump</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheAuldGrump, post: 5604491, member: 6957"] Oh, piffle - don't start edition warring when there is no cause. (Not to mention these are WizKids, not Paizo - a licensed product, but not Paizo's.) The Pathfinder minis aren't being marketed the same way as the bulk of D&DM. Aimed purely at folks for the RPG, not the way D&DM aimed at a mix of wargaming and RPG. Among other differences is the visibility of all the figures. The one attempt that I remember for the D&DM to do the same was the two player starter set... which had more miniatures than the Pathfinder plastics at a similar price, but also a very odd mix [i]of[/i] those figures. WizKids are likely looking at a [i]much[/i] smaller production run than even the smallest release for D&DM. Lower production increases the price per unit. D&DM could have a lower price because they made a boatload of them. There were reasons beyond price that D&DM failed, shrinking market because they pretty much killed support of the miniatures game being primary, some really bad production values - sometimes in sets that had fairly decent production otherwise. Random packaging, maybe - I do know that the [i]only[/i] D&DM sets I bought was on the strength of the visible minis in those releases that had them. (Hey, I like the Rhemoraz....) These Pathfinder minis could fail, and price [i]might well[/i] be part of the reason, but comparing this with D&DM is like comparing apples to pears - obvious similarities, but equally obvious differences. I very much doubt that a continuing PFRPG pre-painted mini line will ever capture the same market or market share that D&DM did, and I doubt that WizKids will try. I kind of expect a series of themed visible releases, if there is any continuation at all. They may be priced above what the market will support, but it may also be the price point that they need to match production costs. Success or failure will likely be seen in October. Let both lines succeed or fail on their own merits and flaws, don't go looking for dispute where none is needed. The Auld Grump [/QUOTE]

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