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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Beginning of the End" data-source="post: 5536606" data-attributes="member: 55271">Well, for example, if you ignore the odd-ball tarrasque and look at CR 20 creatures from the original 3.5 MM you have a pit fiend (290 hp) and a balor (225 hp). Pathfinder, OTOH, says that CR 20 creatures should be aiming for 370 hp.In general, it looks like the target numbers for Pathfinder hp totals are pretty close to the average values from the original MM for CR 1 thru CR 10. But after CR 10, the Pathfinder target numbers suddenly skew much, much higher than the average values from the original MM.(Several creatures below CR 10 in Pathfinder also have their hit point totals increased. For example, the gynosphinx shoots up from 52 hp to 102 hp with no shift in its CR. Although others have slight decreases instead.)What I'm curious to learn is whether:(a) This was due to a shift in PC damage-dealing in high-level Pathfinder; or (b) If this was due to a late-3.5 shift in understanding how higher CR opponents should be designed.The difference is significant for me, because I frequently use Pathfinder material in my 3.5 campaign. At lower levels I haven't had any problems just using the material and not even worrying about conversion.So, if it's just a better understanding of what high CR monsters need to be challenging to high level PCs, then I should be fine. If it's an adjustment to make the monsters tougher because Pathfinder PCs are tougher, however, then I've got a problem and will need to back-convert when using higher level Pathfinder material.</blockquote>

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