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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7696633" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>Rate the AP threads are reviews, which are handy but mean CotCT it good but also that it's been played. None of those people rating APs are reliable consumers of such a compilation because they already have it since they can rate it. Some of them might buy it again (since they liked it and there's no conversion needed), but many will not (since they might rather run something new and if they have a book from 2007 they likely have few problems converting mechanics).</p><p></p><p>I haven't seen CotCT come up nearly as often on the "what should I run?" Threads, which is the real audience for this book. Even before the first couple volumes sold out (which took several years, opposed to S&S and KM). The hook doesn't seem to grip people as much; the concept might be harder to sell than just "East meets West", "demon invasion", "sandbox kingdom building", or "pirates". Or even "genie war". Especially now that Hell's Rebels has stolen a little of its rebellion and urban adventure thunder. </p><p>Perhaps the lesser interest is because it's 3.5e and a collected edition will shoot it to the top of those lists. </p><p></p><p>We'll see I guess… In situations like this I love to be proven wrong. </p><p></p><p></p><p>They did RotRL back in 2012. And CotCT is not coming out in late 2016. At that rate, Second Darkness would be 2020. Unless they're really picking up the pace. </p><p></p><p>Of course, you can snag all of Second Darkness for $60 (plus S+H), so a big collector's edition feels less necessary.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>The Paizo staff are pretty adamant that's not on the table. But anything other than a flat denial would be confirmation so...</p><p>Pathfinder 2.0/ Pathfinder Revised. I really don't see that going over well. Pathfinder started because fans thought 3e still had legs and wanted to keep using all the 3e content they'd bought but hadn't used yet. And now Paizo has released more Pathfinder RPG content than WotC released for 3e. There'll be a LOT of people unwilling to switch. Retaining backwards compatibility would be an interesting goal, but doing that for 3e was what kept so many legacy problems in PF to begin with. </p><p></p><p>And that's without getting into the tone of a revision. Unlike D&D which at least has a legacy to uphold, there's no clear direction for Pathfinder. </p><p>Whenever I hear unhappy Pathfinder fans talking about fixes I'm reminded of similar complaints from my 3.5e days on the WotC boards, and their "fixes" often sound a lot like 4e. It's unclear if they should try and emulate the simplicity of 5e or double down on complexity and try and attract that fanbase and pulling in the D&D fans unsatisfied with 5e? They could retain the 3e/D&D-isms or they could go in an entirely different direction, eschewing classes, changing ability scores, and generally slaughtering sacred cows in a way that D&D cannot.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 7696633, member: 37579"] Rate the AP threads are reviews, which are handy but mean CotCT it good but also that it's been played. None of those people rating APs are reliable consumers of such a compilation because they already have it since they can rate it. Some of them might buy it again (since they liked it and there's no conversion needed), but many will not (since they might rather run something new and if they have a book from 2007 they likely have few problems converting mechanics). I haven't seen CotCT come up nearly as often on the "what should I run?" Threads, which is the real audience for this book. Even before the first couple volumes sold out (which took several years, opposed to S&S and KM). The hook doesn't seem to grip people as much; the concept might be harder to sell than just "East meets West", "demon invasion", "sandbox kingdom building", or "pirates". Or even "genie war". Especially now that Hell's Rebels has stolen a little of its rebellion and urban adventure thunder. Perhaps the lesser interest is because it's 3.5e and a collected edition will shoot it to the top of those lists. We'll see I guess… In situations like this I love to be proven wrong. They did RotRL back in 2012. And CotCT is not coming out in late 2016. At that rate, Second Darkness would be 2020. Unless they're really picking up the pace. Of course, you can snag all of Second Darkness for $60 (plus S+H), so a big collector's edition feels less necessary. The Paizo staff are pretty adamant that's not on the table. But anything other than a flat denial would be confirmation so... Pathfinder 2.0/ Pathfinder Revised. I really don't see that going over well. Pathfinder started because fans thought 3e still had legs and wanted to keep using all the 3e content they'd bought but hadn't used yet. And now Paizo has released more Pathfinder RPG content than WotC released for 3e. There'll be a LOT of people unwilling to switch. Retaining backwards compatibility would be an interesting goal, but doing that for 3e was what kept so many legacy problems in PF to begin with. And that's without getting into the tone of a revision. Unlike D&D which at least has a legacy to uphold, there's no clear direction for Pathfinder. Whenever I hear unhappy Pathfinder fans talking about fixes I'm reminded of similar complaints from my 3.5e days on the WotC boards, and their "fixes" often sound a lot like 4e. It's unclear if they should try and emulate the simplicity of 5e or double down on complexity and try and attract that fanbase and pulling in the D&D fans unsatisfied with 5e? They could retain the 3e/D&D-isms or they could go in an entirely different direction, eschewing classes, changing ability scores, and generally slaughtering sacred cows in a way that D&D cannot. [/QUOTE]
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