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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wulf Ratbane" data-source="post: 4329659" data-attributes="member: 94">This is much like what I was suggesting in the prior thread. I think you can further stipulate that spells/effects with short durations (1 min/level or less, or "per encounter") can only affect your external numbers; and spells/effects of longer duration (10 min/level, up to permanent, as with magic items) may affect your internal numbers.And dispel magic (as cast in combat) is simply not powerful enough to debuff the long-duration, internal buffs.(Though for the record I might quibble with you a bit on the terms chosen, but I think your basics here are sound.)EDIT: One last thought. I think compartmentalizing (and changing, when necessary) the spells/effects that grant temporary+external bonuses, and "permanent"+internal bonuses is an important first step.Spells that provide long-duration internal buffs/debuffs should have long casting times so that they aren't cast in combat; spells that have short casting times so that they can be cast in combat by definition cannot affect internals.This may in and of itself provide a sufficient fix-- with no further reduction of bonus types. I realize it's not as drastic a simplification.</blockquote>