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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James Jacobs" data-source="post: 4649840" data-attributes="member: 23937">Note that you can have a level cap and not make the game finite. If we do an epic level expansion to Pathfinder RPG that expands the level range from 21st to 40th, and design that expansion so that at 21st level you're fighting dragons and at 40th level you're becoming a deity (or something like that), we can THEN do an expansion even later that goes from level 41st to 60th, for example, where your characters play deities ascending in power. And so on.I know folks hate bringing videogames into the scene, but that's the way MMORPGs and CRPGs usually work. For World of Warcraft, the level caps at 60th, then every few years it's raised in increments of 10 with expansions. Fallout 3 caps levels at 20th, but there's an expansion coming in a few months that raises that cap to 30th. The Baldur's Gate videogames did the same.There are certainly examples of videogames without level caps; Oblivion comes to mind. But having played Oblivion a lot... there IS a point where you become so powerful that the game starts to stagnate.And to bring it back to tabletop RPGs, you'll recall that this is the same model the BECMI version of D&D went. Basic took you from 1st to 3rd; Expert 4th to 14th, Companion 15th to 24th(?), Master 25th to 36th, and Immortal to divinity. I think this type of system works the best, and it's the one I'll be trying to coax PF RPG to follow (although with larger steps, to be sure!).In order to be a healthy game, it has to expand the world along with the level; there needs to be content for characters to experience as they gain levels, otherwise things quickly get dull. That's, honestly, the main problem facing epic level games now—lack of support and content. The majority of the epic content for a campaign has to be created by the GM, and not all of us GMs have the time to do that.In any case... it's all far to big a problem to tackle in the PF RPG. We'll hint at what's to come, similar to how the 3.5 DMG did a hint of epic level rules, but we won't be able to do much more than that. Yet, at least...</blockquote>

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