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<blockquote data-quote="Eridanis" data-source="post: 4840149" data-attributes="member: 275"><p>Flashback to autumn 2000. The core 3E books are coming out, 3pp's are already rolling out support product and the quality is starting to improve. At that time, I thought that the main effect of the SRD would be that publishers (WotC included) would take the best ideas from all the independent publishers, and there would be a lot of cross-pollenation.</p><p></p><p>THat didn't happen, of course. IN the exuberance of the market, everyone kind of did their own thing. A few publishers used Tome of Horrors monsters, and WotC openly published two Creature Catalog monsters in the Monster Manual 2, as well as surreptitiously publishing two Book of Eldritch Might spells in Complete Arcane. As far as I know, that was about it.</p><p></p><p>Now, here we are again, and I think PRPG might hew closer to that old thought than 3E did. A lot of design ground has alrady been covered, for good or for bad. As mentioned above, there are large swathes of design covered in non-SRD products by WotC, but other takes published by d20 companies that might bear a second look. Paizo won't be doing the book-of-the-month that WotC was doing, so there will be room for things that other publishers do to be unofficially (or officially?) adopted by Paizo as part of thier system. We'll see how it goes, but I think publishers and consumers have already been down the "glut" road once, and won't be prone to make the exact same mistakes again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eridanis, post: 4840149, member: 275"] Flashback to autumn 2000. The core 3E books are coming out, 3pp's are already rolling out support product and the quality is starting to improve. At that time, I thought that the main effect of the SRD would be that publishers (WotC included) would take the best ideas from all the independent publishers, and there would be a lot of cross-pollenation. THat didn't happen, of course. IN the exuberance of the market, everyone kind of did their own thing. A few publishers used Tome of Horrors monsters, and WotC openly published two Creature Catalog monsters in the Monster Manual 2, as well as surreptitiously publishing two Book of Eldritch Might spells in Complete Arcane. As far as I know, that was about it. Now, here we are again, and I think PRPG might hew closer to that old thought than 3E did. A lot of design ground has alrady been covered, for good or for bad. As mentioned above, there are large swathes of design covered in non-SRD products by WotC, but other takes published by d20 companies that might bear a second look. Paizo won't be doing the book-of-the-month that WotC was doing, so there will be room for things that other publishers do to be unofficially (or officially?) adopted by Paizo as part of thier system. We'll see how it goes, but I think publishers and consumers have already been down the "glut" road once, and won't be prone to make the exact same mistakes again. [/QUOTE]
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