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<blockquote data-quote="Kurzak T" data-source="post: 3759903" data-attributes="member: 15464">Sorry to rain on the praise partyI can't believe all the feedback is so positive.I got my first edition of the &quot;book&quot; this a couple of days ago and I have to say I'm pretty disappointed.It looks good.&nbsp; The paper is nice, the glossy look and background graphics are a nice touch.Now what I don't like:This is a book?&nbsp; I'm sorry, but it looks and feels to me like a sturdy magazine.&nbsp; A couple of my gaming group were over and took a look at it and the consensus is this is a book only if you really stretch that definition.&nbsp; Put some ads in it and you can easily call it a magazine.&nbsp; In fact I get several magazines that are much thicker.The price is crazy for what you're getting.&nbsp; As a former Dragon/Dungeon subscriber, I continued my subscriptions through good and bad times because of the value I received.&nbsp; Even at their low points, the mags were worth the money.&nbsp; Dungeon was always worth it, Dragon ebbed and flowed.&nbsp; $19.99 for this?&nbsp; I'm sorry, but if I saw this in a store I'd laugh at the crazy guys who thought they could charge that.&nbsp; My 3.0 splat books cost that.&nbsp; If I'm spending 20 bucks on a module (which is essentially what I consider Pathfinder), then I expect a pretty substantial book to come with that price tag.&nbsp; This strikes me as smaller than most Dungeon/Dragons.&nbsp; I didn't do a page count, but that's my impression.It's a decent product, but not even close to a $20 value proposition.I wish the guys and gals of Paizo the best, I've never had anything but love for what you did with Dragon and Dungeon when you took them over but I can't honestly recommend Pathfinder for the price.&nbsp; Downgrade the graphics and paper, put an ad or two in and cut the price *substantially*.&nbsp; Asking $120 for a super adventure (6 issues x $20 for a complete adventure path) is a hefty price tag.&nbsp; Nice paper and computer drawn artwork is fine and good but doesn't come close to justifying that hefty price tag.I can purchase a hardbound Forgotten Realms campaign setting and a super adventure (like City of the Spider Queen) for way less than that.&nbsp; I don't see where Pathfinder is going to measure up.Sorry.&nbsp; I'll receive it until my magazine credits run out (mostly as a goodwill gesture towards the folks who gave me so many great years with the magazines), but I don't see myself putting any additional money towards this unless it vastly increases in value or the price goes way down.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kurzak T, post: 3759903, member: 15464"] [b]Sorry to rain on the praise party[/b] I can't believe all the feedback is so positive. I got my first edition of the "book" this a couple of days ago and I have to say I'm pretty disappointed. It looks good. The paper is nice, the glossy look and background graphics are a nice touch. Now what I don't like: This is a book? I'm sorry, but it looks and feels to me like a sturdy magazine. A couple of my gaming group were over and took a look at it and the consensus is this is a book only if you really stretch that definition. Put some ads in it and you can easily call it a magazine. In fact I get several magazines that are much thicker. The price is crazy for what you're getting. As a former Dragon/Dungeon subscriber, I continued my subscriptions through good and bad times because of the value I received. Even at their low points, the mags were worth the money. Dungeon was always worth it, Dragon ebbed and flowed. $19.99 for this? I'm sorry, but if I saw this in a store I'd laugh at the crazy guys who thought they could charge that. My 3.0 splat books cost that. If I'm spending 20 bucks on a module (which is essentially what I consider Pathfinder), then I expect a pretty substantial book to come with that price tag. This strikes me as smaller than most Dungeon/Dragons. I didn't do a page count, but that's my impression. It's a decent product, but not even close to a $20 value proposition. I wish the guys and gals of Paizo the best, I've never had anything but love for what you did with Dragon and Dungeon when you took them over but I can't honestly recommend Pathfinder for the price. Downgrade the graphics and paper, put an ad or two in and cut the price *substantially*. Asking $120 for a super adventure (6 issues x $20 for a complete adventure path) is a hefty price tag. Nice paper and computer drawn artwork is fine and good but doesn't come close to justifying that hefty price tag. I can purchase a hardbound Forgotten Realms campaign setting and a super adventure (like City of the Spider Queen) for way less than that. I don't see where Pathfinder is going to measure up. Sorry. I'll receive it until my magazine credits run out (mostly as a goodwill gesture towards the folks who gave me so many great years with the magazines), but I don't see myself putting any additional money towards this unless it vastly increases in value or the price goes way down. [/QUOTE]

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