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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wulf Ratbane" data-source="post: 4813953" data-attributes="member: 94">The change to the size modifier is not going to prevent you from being eaten by purple worms and tyrannosaurs. It's probably not going to prevent you from being eaten by anything that was designed to eat things in 3e. Here's why I think so:Purple WormGrapple by RAW: +40, including +16 for sizeGrapple by PF: +32, including the reduced +8 sizeIt looks like the PCs might pick up another 4 or 5 points on the CMD, depending on how it's calculated. The comparable 12th level fighter will have a CMD of 10 + 12 (BAB) + 6 (STR), maybe +4 deflection. Total CMD = ~32.Huh. Worm rolls a 1, he's got a 33. You're still hosed.It's also no longer an opposed roll, which by RAW gave you a potential swing of 19 points (I roll a 20, Worm rolls a 1). Against the static defense, one roll gets to Take 10. No more getting lucky.TyrannosaurusRAW: +30 (including +8 for Huge size)PF: +24 (including +2 reduced size mod)Comparable 8th level fighter CMD = 10 + 8 (BAB) + 6 (STR) + 3 deflection. (I think I'm being generous with a couple points there.) CMD = 27That's a little better I suppose. T-Rex gets a 25 if he rolls a 1. Still beats you on a 4+.The math behind BAB and grapple is based on HD, and big, dumb critters have LOTS of hit dice for their CR. Their HD will be out in advance of the PCs by more than enough to compensate for their 3/4 BAB progression-- and God help you if it's a magical beast or dragon (with full BAB progression).(Generally speaking, most monsters have more HD than they do CR.)I'm not sold on this change if the supposed impetus was because big critters were tough grapplers. Marginal gain, with new compatibility/conversion issues.</blockquote>

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