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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7638570" data-attributes="member: 5142">Okay. That's fair. Having played 3-5e and PF1, I'm not sure if this is an assessment that I would ever associate with 5e at all. D&amp;D 5e is usually associated with being light on significant choices that a player will make,* because it is a concerted move towards pre-3e simplicity and recapturing the OSR crowd. In various comments about switching to PF2 from 5e on the PF2 subreddit, for example, many comments have reflected on how they feel that 5e lacks &quot;real power to your selections&quot; and frustrations that their choices don't feel like they make a difference. Basically the exact opposite of what you say here. * Race and Class are fairly bog-standard choices in D&amp;D. Background was a fairly recent (and much welcome) extra step to character creation choice in D&amp;D. However, to what extent does Background in 5e represent a meaningful choice when Backgrounds in 5e largely amount to &quot;pick two skills, two proficiencies (tools, language, etc.), starting gear, and get some associated lite bonus fluff&quot;? Choice here is often a thinly-veiled exercise of how to acquire &quot;Stealth&quot; and &quot;Perception&quot; proficiencies for your character. Your most meaningful choice usually amounts to class and subclass. I'm not sure that ASI/feats are significant choices either since many classes have obvious paths: e.g., buff attributes until 20, Great Weapon Master, War Caster, etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7638570, member: 5142"] Okay. That's fair. Having played 3-5e and PF1, I'm not sure if this is an assessment that I would ever associate with 5e at all. D&D 5e is usually associated with being light on significant choices that a player will make,* because it is a concerted move towards pre-3e simplicity and recapturing the OSR crowd. In various comments about switching to PF2 from 5e on the PF2 subreddit, for example, many comments have reflected on how they feel that 5e lacks "real power to your selections" and frustrations that their choices don't feel like they make a difference. Basically the exact opposite of what you say here. * Race and Class are fairly bog-standard choices in D&D. Background was a fairly recent (and much welcome) extra step to character creation choice in D&D. However, to what extent does Background in 5e represent a meaningful choice when Backgrounds in 5e largely amount to "pick two skills, two proficiencies (tools, language, etc.), starting gear, and get some associated lite bonus fluff"? Choice here is often a thinly-veiled exercise of how to acquire "Stealth" and "Perception" proficiencies for your character. Your most meaningful choice usually amounts to class and subclass. I'm not sure that ASI/feats are significant choices either since many classes have obvious paths: e.g., buff attributes until 20, Great Weapon Master, War Caster, etc. [/QUOTE]

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