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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 7638749" data-attributes="member: 5834">Not my experience with 5E. I liked 5E better than 4E, but once you obtained advantage and had bless you pretty much were done doing much else than damage. We quit 5E and went back to PF1 because 5E was way too generic. You felt like your choices gave you power? We played the game and found that if you weren't a multi-class paladin of some type or an archer, you weren't as powerful as anyone that was one of those types. We allowed all customization options and were told by 5E players that is why we didn't like 5E. Why? Because taking paladin multiclass was a no brainer no matter the class. 2 to 6 levels of paladin mixed with almost any other class made you way better than any other class. One guy made a paladin wizard with a whip that made the guy playing a straight paladin hate his class because the whip guy had more spell slots to smite and did it with reach with the whip. He hated the sorcerer paladin because he also had more spell slots to smite with. He also hated the warlock paladin for the same reason. And the entire game was get advantage by any means necessary, then you were done since advantage didn't stack with anything else no matter how it was obtained. Super boring. And archer with the right feats was a monster damage dealer. I figure 5E is as popular as it is because of how easy it is to play. My friend plays with his kids. You can play a pick up game and teach just about anyone the game in an hour regardless of their experience. 5E is a great game for a wide demographic to introduce them to role-playing. For advanced players looking for more it's not a very robust system, but with a good DM even advanced players can have fun. If your primary interest is role-playing in a very simple, fluid system with someone of any age or experience, then 5E is your game. PF2 is still a game for players that want more in their game system. It's definitely not 4E and doesn't feel like 4E at all. It's more like 5E on steroids.</blockquote>

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