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<blockquote data-quote="dm4hire" data-source="post: 4843145" data-attributes="member: 14848">I have to seriously disagree with this.&nbsp; It's the same kind of argument given for the new save in 4e and yet I have seen guys consistently fail the save every round for almost an entire fight.&nbsp; Yes some days the duration will be short, but other days it will be long, if not longer than needed.&nbsp; Also remember that this works both ways.&nbsp; So when the BBEG or one of his minions Glitter Dusts your party and you're stuck without a way to get out of it; you're not sitting around playing chearleader for those not effected.The thing to remember is that the game was beta tested, by a lot of people.&nbsp; They based a lot of these changes on the feedback they got.&nbsp; Most of the feedback was debated on their boards quite extensively.&nbsp; Still it comes down to everything we are seeing in the previews, and for that matter in the final version, is the result of who complained the loudest to sway the design teams decision.You have to give Paizo credit for trying to make the game balanced while keeping it in line with what already exists in 3.5.&nbsp; Worse comes to worse you can still house rule it if you don't like how it works.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dm4hire, post: 4843145, member: 14848"] I have to seriously disagree with this. It's the same kind of argument given for the new save in 4e and yet I have seen guys consistently fail the save every round for almost an entire fight. Yes some days the duration will be short, but other days it will be long, if not longer than needed. Also remember that this works both ways. So when the BBEG or one of his minions Glitter Dusts your party and you're stuck without a way to get out of it; you're not sitting around playing chearleader for those not effected. The thing to remember is that the game was beta tested, by a lot of people. They based a lot of these changes on the feedback they got. Most of the feedback was debated on their boards quite extensively. Still it comes down to everything we are seeing in the previews, and for that matter in the final version, is the result of who complained the loudest to sway the design teams decision. You have to give Paizo credit for trying to make the game balanced while keeping it in line with what already exists in 3.5. Worse comes to worse you can still house rule it if you don't like how it works. [/QUOTE]

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