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Message: <blockquote data-quote="malkav666" data-source="post: 4851390" data-attributes="member: 70565">Oh wow, the same few folks are still here complaining about the PF allip?Jeez, if you don't like it then don't use it. If you are going to run PF and you want to use a draining allip as opposed to a damaging one, then just do it. Its not like its any amount of work on the DM to exchange the word damage for drain.And to address another point from a previous poster about the players expecting an ability damage allip and getting one that drains, and then being annoyed about it. If I received a complaint from a player about me not playing a monster as a book presents it, I would laugh at them, and then ask them nicely to quit metagaming my moonstas. My players long ago learned that the DM can and will modify monsters. I have all of my monsters and encounters in a binder and the MM or whatever beastiary never comes out during play. So either enjoy the new allip or loathe it. Its not so hard to revert it back to drain if damage flares up your carebear meter. Hell you could just add CMB score to the SRD allip and use that in your PFRPG game.I don't personally think that an encounter that does wis damage vs wis drain is really played any diiferently. The only thing that is played different is the clean up, where the party fighting the draining monster will make a signifigant financial investment to continue, and the party facing damage will probably be out of the mix for a few days before continueing.Don't worry all you allip drain lovers, there is still hope for a CR3 draining critter. Unless they have changed the ghost template, you can still pop that onto any CR 1 creature and have your jerk DM CR 3 creature that does drain <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> (even more than an allip)love,malkav</blockquote>

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