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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rolflyn" data-source="post: 4851415" data-attributes="member: 48146">Yes it does.  You missed the fact that I said I don't even specifically care about the allip, just about a few extraordinarly dangerous creature existing somewhere in the rules, somewhere.I don't hate the new allip, more the general direction of the changes that the allip represents.  But I will take your challenge:New Pathfinder Allip is in the crypt of the insane.  Party comes up with plan: "Let's all charge in and attack.  It can't get us all, and we can use Lesser Restoration to remove the wisdom damage when we have won."  Response: "Cool, cast Magic Weapon on this sword."3.5 wisdom drain Allip: Party comes up with plan: "Let's all charge in and attack."  Response: "Are you nuts? That's a freaking allip behind there.  Unless someone can drop it before it gets to us, I say we go another route."  "Agreed."Now you could use a CR 8 monster with wisdom drain instead of the CR 3 allip, but then the conversation would go:"There's a monster we cannot defeat in the crypt.  We simply cannot go there.  The mage and archer couldn't possibly drop it before it got to us and tore us to shreds, draining away all our wisdom.  No tactics in fact could possibly defeat it, I guess the DM wants us to go elsewhere."</blockquote>