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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 9012374" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>I can sort of see what you are saying there, but that's not quite what the argument is about, either.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>At a certain level, it feels like PF had a niche as "What if you wanted <em>all the options" </em>along with the "classic" D&D design. 5E eventually came around towards the latter part (compared to 4E, at least), so PF had to take the first part and find a new niche for the second. What it ended up on was, ironically, something closer to what they had made their money being the opposite of: a more balanced, tactically-sound version of the d20 experience.</p><p></p><p>As it stands, this was probably the best time to cut the ties off stuff which have started to become dated. Unlike 5E, PF2 character building isn't really built around rolling 3d6 anymore, so keeping the ability scores is more questionable compared to how it was. Alignment... well, another ironic continuation of what 4E felt like it was doing. I do wonder what they are removing from the books, but since I already have the originals, I'm just not all that worried. I also wonder how much of it will get renamed (Will they take out Owlbears or just rename them something like "Strigursa"?) rather than straight up removed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, there will always be people who don't want to move on. Totally within their right. Doesn't really make something a conspiracy, though, and their game isn't invalidated at all with the new books.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, I don't really care about all this because I think we really shouldn't be talking about Wizards in this post at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Working on something doesn't mean anything nefarious, nor does it mean they were keeping something from you. The idea that they were working on new Cores doesn't mean they had intended to release them any time soon. As they basically state, the OGL moved up their timeline on this so that they are doing it now when more people are getting into the game and there is a more pressing need to protect themselves.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't see a reason to concede anything. My statement is self-evident: nothing in there even vaguely handwaves at such things. There's no lie by omission because you'd have make a deceptive statement in there and I can find none.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it does not imply that it <em>doesn't </em>use OGL content<em>. </em>In fact, it outright states they still <em>do</em>, but that it is significantly <em>less important </em>than it was previously. While they are at less risk, that is not the same as <em>no </em>risk. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, these books get reprinted with errata, and some of that errata has been more significant. However, it's worth noting that none of these books are being <em>invalidated</em>: they will still work with the system. You'll be able to get the rules updates for free online. If you want all this information in one nice place, then you can go to the new Core books. You don't need to buy anything more if you don't want to.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 9012374, member: 6778210"] I can sort of see what you are saying there, but that's not quite what the argument is about, either. At a certain level, it feels like PF had a niche as "What if you wanted [I]all the options" [/I]along with the "classic" D&D design. 5E eventually came around towards the latter part (compared to 4E, at least), so PF had to take the first part and find a new niche for the second. What it ended up on was, ironically, something closer to what they had made their money being the opposite of: a more balanced, tactically-sound version of the d20 experience. As it stands, this was probably the best time to cut the ties off stuff which have started to become dated. Unlike 5E, PF2 character building isn't really built around rolling 3d6 anymore, so keeping the ability scores is more questionable compared to how it was. Alignment... well, another ironic continuation of what 4E felt like it was doing. I do wonder what they are removing from the books, but since I already have the originals, I'm just not all that worried. I also wonder how much of it will get renamed (Will they take out Owlbears or just rename them something like "Strigursa"?) rather than straight up removed. I mean, there will always be people who don't want to move on. Totally within their right. Doesn't really make something a conspiracy, though, and their game isn't invalidated at all with the new books. I mean, I don't really care about all this because I think we really shouldn't be talking about Wizards in this post at all. Working on something doesn't mean anything nefarious, nor does it mean they were keeping something from you. The idea that they were working on new Cores doesn't mean they had intended to release them any time soon. As they basically state, the OGL moved up their timeline on this so that they are doing it now when more people are getting into the game and there is a more pressing need to protect themselves. I don't see a reason to concede anything. My statement is self-evident: nothing in there even vaguely handwaves at such things. There's no lie by omission because you'd have make a deceptive statement in there and I can find none. No, it does not imply that it [I]doesn't [/I]use OGL content[I]. [/I]In fact, it outright states they still [I]do[/I], but that it is significantly [I]less important [/I]than it was previously. While they are at less risk, that is not the same as [I]no [/I]risk. Again, these books get reprinted with errata, and some of that errata has been more significant. However, it's worth noting that none of these books are being [I]invalidated[/I]: they will still work with the system. You'll be able to get the rules updates for free online. If you want all this information in one nice place, then you can go to the new Core books. You don't need to buy anything more if you don't want to. [/QUOTE]
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