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<blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 4324268" data-attributes="member: 51325">As I mentioned before, this is somewhat weird.For example, take the warblade. Regularly held up as an example of a &quot;more&quot; powerful class but ask the CO-experts on WOTC's own boards and the consensus is that a CORE BARBARIAN simply still outdamages a warblade.Let's not even get into things like Leap Attack and Shck trooper. Similarly, a fighter is NOT underpowered. In terms of damage, a fighter with just PHB and PHB 2 can match the output of any one class.What the fighter's problem was the fact that it usually only had one &quot;trick&quot; to bring to a fight.PF by giving out more feats hasn't touched that problem. I think that's why I look somewhat skeptically at PF. What I see as the problems of 3.x are being &quot;solved&quot; in ways that don't actually touch the root cause.re: CompatibilityUm, PF has gone WAY beyond the difference between 3.0 and 3.5. For example, what's the difference between the races in the 3.0 PHB and the 3.5 PHB and similarly what about the classes?Seriously, I think among those two sections, only the ranger actually underwent change.Compare this with PAthfinder versus 3.5. Personally, I'm still concerned with the added power of the Pathfinder classes. Make no mistake, the additional feats will INCREASE the offense of the classes but you're not seeing a similar increase in DEFENCE thus, rocket tag will simply occur earlier.If the sweet spot is levels 5-12 in 3.5, I worry that the sweet spot in pathfinder will be levels 2-10</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AllisterH, post: 4324268, member: 51325"] As I mentioned before, this is somewhat weird. For example, take the warblade. Regularly held up as an example of a "more" powerful class but ask the CO-experts on WOTC's own boards and the consensus is that a CORE BARBARIAN simply still outdamages a warblade. Let's not even get into things like Leap Attack and Shck trooper. Similarly, a fighter is NOT underpowered. In terms of damage, a fighter with just PHB and PHB 2 can match the output of any one class. What the fighter's problem was the fact that it usually only had one "trick" to bring to a fight. PF by giving out more feats hasn't touched that problem. I think that's why I look somewhat skeptically at PF. What I see as the problems of 3.x are being "solved" in ways that don't actually touch the root cause. re: Compatibility Um, PF has gone WAY beyond the difference between 3.0 and 3.5. For example, what's the difference between the races in the 3.0 PHB and the 3.5 PHB and similarly what about the classes? Seriously, I think among those two sections, only the ranger actually underwent change. Compare this with PAthfinder versus 3.5. Personally, I'm still concerned with the added power of the Pathfinder classes. Make no mistake, the additional feats will INCREASE the offense of the classes but you're not seeing a similar increase in DEFENCE thus, rocket tag will simply occur earlier. If the sweet spot is levels 5-12 in 3.5, I worry that the sweet spot in pathfinder will be levels 2-10 [/QUOTE]

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