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<blockquote data-quote="The_Gneech" data-source="post: 4121775" data-attributes="member: 6779"><p>On the day of the announcement, I was walking on air. I've had a lot of problems with 4E as presented so far, and feeling very down about the possibility of moving forward with <em>D&D</em>. At the same time, YES, 3.5 has problems. I wasn't a heavy-duty <em>E-Tools</em> user because I wanted to be, it was because the tool was absolutely necessary for someone with my atrocious math skills. And at 11th level or higher, my interest in playing or GMing absolutely flags.</p><p></p><p>So yeah, I'm ready for a new, better <em>D&D</em>. What I'm not ready for is monsters and NPCs having their own rulesets, completely reshuffled settings and "core" races, a MMO-inspired class design philosophy [1], and so on.</p><p></p><p>I was all jazzed up about <em>SWSE</em>-style <em>D&D</em>. I was subsequently depressed by 4E ... to the point that I wasn't running or playing anything at all for a while.</p><p></p><p>Paizo's announcement broke me out of that funk and got me excited again, for which I am very grateful. Subsequent examination of their alpha release suggests to me that they're probably not going to make substantiative fixes so much as "another slightly different 3.x ruleset" in order to maximize "backwards compatibility." If so, that's their choice and I can respect it ... but it also means that for me at least, there's no real point.</p><p></p><p>If they surprise me and make "a better 4E than 4E" then I will definitely convert, stay there, and be a happy camper. If not, well, at least I've got my <em>S&S Saga</em> conversion and my enthusiasm back. So for me at least, it's not quite a "win/win," but more like a "win/get along well enough."</p><p></p><p>-The Gneech <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> </p><p></p><p>[1] To anyone who's tempted to say "No it isn't!" here: Deny it all you want, I see it and you're not likely to convince me it isn't there. Let's just agree to differ on that point, okay?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The_Gneech, post: 4121775, member: 6779"] On the day of the announcement, I was walking on air. I've had a lot of problems with 4E as presented so far, and feeling very down about the possibility of moving forward with [i]D&D[/i]. At the same time, YES, 3.5 has problems. I wasn't a heavy-duty [i]E-Tools[/i] user because I wanted to be, it was because the tool was absolutely necessary for someone with my atrocious math skills. And at 11th level or higher, my interest in playing or GMing absolutely flags. So yeah, I'm ready for a new, better [i]D&D[/i]. What I'm not ready for is monsters and NPCs having their own rulesets, completely reshuffled settings and "core" races, a MMO-inspired class design philosophy [1], and so on. I was all jazzed up about [i]SWSE[/i]-style [i]D&D[/i]. I was subsequently depressed by 4E ... to the point that I wasn't running or playing anything at all for a while. Paizo's announcement broke me out of that funk and got me excited again, for which I am very grateful. Subsequent examination of their alpha release suggests to me that they're probably not going to make substantiative fixes so much as "another slightly different 3.x ruleset" in order to maximize "backwards compatibility." If so, that's their choice and I can respect it ... but it also means that for me at least, there's no real point. If they surprise me and make "a better 4E than 4E" then I will definitely convert, stay there, and be a happy camper. If not, well, at least I've got my [i]S&S Saga[/i] conversion and my enthusiasm back. So for me at least, it's not quite a "win/win," but more like a "win/get along well enough." -The Gneech :cool: [1] To anyone who's tempted to say "No it isn't!" here: Deny it all you want, I see it and you're not likely to convince me it isn't there. Let's just agree to differ on that point, okay? [/QUOTE]
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