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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7480061" data-attributes="member: 37579">DS9's uptick was Ira Behr being promoted to showrunning and executive producer with season 3. Enterprise getting better in season 4 can be attributed to Manny Coto coming aboard as head of the series along with Mike Sussman.Heck, even the archetypal example, The Next Generation, is often attributed to Michael Piller coming aboard on season 3. Neither was just the result of the series moving out of its first season. More time didn't magically make the shows better. It was better writers coming aboard and a showrunner who was able to take charge and make changes. Meanwhile, the executive producer of Discovery has not changed. It's still co-creator, <a href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0476064/" target="_blank">Alex Kurtzman</a>. And now he's also the main showrunner and doesn't have another executive producer there, as Aaron Harberts and Gretchen J. Berg <a href="https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/star-trek-discovery-showrunners-alex-kurtzman-1202847342/" target="_blank">left</a>. While Kurtzman is free to do his own thing rather than having to run with another writer's work... the second half of Discovery's first season wasn't much less problematic. And as a creative figure, Kurtzman is mixed. He's producted Scorpion and Hawaii Five-O for TV, plus Amazing Spider-man 2. He wrote Transformers and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. Plus Star Trek Into Darkness. Most recently he wrote and directed the recent Mummy film.His hit:miss ratio is not good. I don't have a lot of faith he'll improve just because the season is a higher number. That has as much bearing on the actual quality of the show as odd/even numeration has on the movies.  I think Arrow started strong and got better as it moved into more comic territory and beyond a vigilante with a hood. The second season was great. But the last couple years grew weak. Meanwhile, Flash started strong and then got problematic as it relied far, far too much on its formula. Season three wasn't good and season 4 was often painful. Supergirl definitely took a bit to find its groove and improved partway through season 1. Legends of Tomorrow has definitely gotten better. This is a good example of a show needing to find its voice and work with the strength of its cast. Supernatural got better yes, but that could be attributed as much to the metaplot building to a climax.  That can loosely related to getting beyond the first season, as they needed to lay the groundwork and didn't want to go "all in" just to be cancelled. It dropped in quality after the original creator left with season 5, when the series "ended". (Even then, season one wasn't "bad". The worst episodes of that stretch were probably in season 3.)Then they brought someone else in, which led to up and down quality, as the showrunners changed three or four times. So, again, less about the "numeration" and more the stories and people working on the series. True...Excluding all those shows whose first seasons are their best. Six Feet UnderGleeFriendsLostSports NightVeronica MarsThe O.C. Heroes30 RockOr even Kurtzman's own Sleepy HollowThere's no shortage of shows that peak hard in their first season and then spend the rest of their run trying to recapture that magic. Discovery *could* end up like Buffy, Alias ,or Arrow and turn out a great second season. Or it could build and grow like DS9, TNG, Babylon 5, or Supernatural for a satisfying show that improves as it goes.Or lacking the vision of Bryan Fuller, Kurtzman does what he does best and just retells stories that have already been done and pushes hard on the nostalgia button, failing to even capture the "WTF what is going to happen next???" wonder of the first season. Especially while being pulled in multiple directions and trying to get multiple shows going at once. "First season wobbles" are something you can evaluate after the fact. They're not a predictive element. And they're not an "cure all" excuse for criticism. Saying Discovery will get better because other Trek shows did is as reasonable and sound as saying "the second season will be better, because even Trek stuff is always better than odd." You'll have as good of odds referencing what astrological sign the show is being filmed under.</blockquote>

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