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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EOL" data-source="post: 102826" data-attributes="member: 823">Re: Re: ShiftingWell if we assume that the shape change isn't instantaneous (at best it's a move equivilant), say that it takes 2 or three seconds, that's quite a bit of time to get out of the way.  Now I know that doesn't fit in with the way people take turns, but I believe that in this case it would be fair to give people in the way of the shift/shapechange a reflex save to just see if they can exit the affected area.Although if they want to stay and suffer the affects of Bull Rush in exchange for an AoO that would probably be nicely balanced.  The question then is what str to use for the bull rush. I would be inclined to do something based on size (like 10+5 STR for every size above medium) although you could use the str of the creature being changed into.</blockquote>