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<blockquote data-quote="ph0rk" data-source="post: 8273377" data-attributes="member: 16266"><p>Not a bad idea, of course, like most solutions to this they're somewhat buried in the DMG, and not really a thing players can <em>ask</em> for.</p><p></p><p>In the particular case I'm talking about, the Bard player had no interest in intimidation and their character may not even have had proficiency in it. It was simply that they thought they had control over the social pillar. I've seen similar things where rogue or ranger players assume they are primary in the exploration pillar (different players, different games, but I see it often enough). And, again, it's backed up by the rules in many cases because those classes do get good tools to excel in that pillar (that doesn't mean every rogue or ranger builds that way, or even has an investigation check better than +1).</p><p></p><p>So, I guess the fact that many players come to the game with the idea that some PCs are exceptional with respect to other PCs in various aspects of the game is an issue (and, like I said, an issue perpetuated by rules that can sometimes work that way).</p><p></p><p>I think PCs exceptional relative to other PCs is a larger issue than PCs exceptional relative to NPCs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ph0rk, post: 8273377, member: 16266"] Not a bad idea, of course, like most solutions to this they're somewhat buried in the DMG, and not really a thing players can [I]ask[/I] for. In the particular case I'm talking about, the Bard player had no interest in intimidation and their character may not even have had proficiency in it. It was simply that they thought they had control over the social pillar. I've seen similar things where rogue or ranger players assume they are primary in the exploration pillar (different players, different games, but I see it often enough). And, again, it's backed up by the rules in many cases because those classes do get good tools to excel in that pillar (that doesn't mean every rogue or ranger builds that way, or even has an investigation check better than +1). So, I guess the fact that many players come to the game with the idea that some PCs are exceptional with respect to other PCs in various aspects of the game is an issue (and, like I said, an issue perpetuated by rules that can sometimes work that way). I think PCs exceptional relative to other PCs is a larger issue than PCs exceptional relative to NPCs. [/QUOTE]
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